Singh-Ray Vari-ND filter arrives!

480sparky

Senior Member
Scored a deal on ebay last week..... a 77mm thin Singh-Ray VND. It showed up in the mail yestiddy, but I didn't have time to mess with it until this morning.

My first test run in the sun today went just as I expected. I took a control image at (ISO 100, f/11) at 1/80 sec of my yard, and included a gray card in the scene. I then popped on the VND and started taking shots while dialing it down further and further. To my delight, I was still getting good sharp images at 9 stops (manufacturer states 2-8 stops)!!!! And peeping at the pixel level shows very little loss of IQ. I did notice, however, that as the exposures get longer, they tended to warm up a bit as well (camera was set to Manual WB: Direct Sunlight).

So just for S&G, I sandwiched my B+W 10-stop ND between the Singh-Ray and the lens and pulled out the wired remote. Set the camera to bulb and timed a 963-second shot (that's 16 minutes for the chronologically challenged). As expected, there's a more noticable IQ loss with all that glass, but it's still quite manageable. Fact is, for most real-world shots, it's a non-issue. In addition, the image was very warm but easily corrected with the inclusion of the gray card since I was shooting raw.

Vignetting? Even though it's a 'thin' filter, it's still much thicker than a normal filter (All VNDs are). I can easily see vignetting in the VF on my 17-35mm up to 20mm. But given I tend to 'shoot wide' anyway, the vignetting will most likely be cropped out in post as a matter of course. If it's still visible when it comes to saving the final JPEG, then it's time to haul out the Clone & Heal tools.
 
Scored a deal on ebay last week..... a 77mm thin Singh-Ray VND. It showed up in the mail yestiddy, but I didn't have time to mess with it until this morning.

My first test run in the sun today went just as I expected. I took a control image at (ISO 100, f/11) at 1/80 sec of my yard, and included a gray card in the scene. I then popped on the VND and started taking shots while dialing it down further and further. To my delight, I was still getting good sharp images at 9 stops (manufacturer states 2-8 stops)!!!! And peeping at the pixel level shows very little loss of IQ. I did notice, however, that as the exposures get longer, they tended to warm up a bit as well (camera was set to Manual WB: Direct Sunlight).

So just for S&G, I sandwiched my B+W 10-stop ND between the Singh-Ray and the lens and pulled out the wired remote. Set the camera to bulb and timed a 963-second shot (that's 16 minutes for the chronologically challenged). As expected, there's a more noticable IQ loss with all that glass, but it's still quite manageable. Fact is, for most real-world shots, it's a non-issue. In addition, the image was very warm but easily corrected with the inclusion of the gray card since I was shooting raw.

Vignetting? Even though it's a 'thin' filter, it's still much thicker than a normal filter (All VNDs are). I can easily see vignetting in the VF on my 17-35mm up to 20mm. But given I tend to 'shoot wide' anyway, the vignetting will most likely be cropped out in post as a matter of course. If it's still visible when it comes to saving the final JPEG, then it's time to haul out the Clone & Heal tools.

Would be interesting to see all 10 photos with what they were shot at.
 

Ijustwant1

Senior Member
Yes it would be interesting to see ! I have just got a $22.00 VND filter so we could post some comparisons, what do you think ?
 

480sparky

Senior Member
Yes it would be interesting to see ! I have just got a $22.00 VND filter so we could post some comparisons, what do you think ?

I think any on-line attempt to compare them wouldn't have much value. The only acid test would be with the same camera, same scene, same lighting.
 

Bill16

Senior Member
That sound true, if the two filters are close in quality. But if there is a big difference in quality, wouldn't it show even here on line?
I'm asking because I don't know a thing about filters. Lol :D
I think any on-line attempt to compare them wouldn't have much value. The only acid test would be with the same camera, same scene, same lighting.
 

480sparky

Senior Member
That sound true, if the two filters are close in quality. But if there is a big difference in quality, wouldn't it show even here on line?
I'm asking because I don't know a thing about filters. Lol :D


Unless all other variable parameters were the same, it wouldn't show anything.

Most likely, between 2 and 6 stops, you'd probably wouldn't be able to see any difference if the image is resized to display on a forum (ie., 800-1200 pixels on the long edge). Only full-size originals would show the difference, and that's only if you had identical images for both filters taken under the same conditions.
 

Ijustwant1

Senior Member
Unless all other variable parameters were the same, it wouldn't show anything.

Most likely, between 2 and 6 stops, you'd probably wouldn't be able to see any difference if the image is resized to display on a forum (ie., 800-1200 pixels on the long edge). Only full-size originals would show the difference, and that's only if you had identical images for both filters taken under the same conditions.
Oh well it was a thought ! I will still post some photos next week :cool:
 
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