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<blockquote data-quote="Moab Man" data-source="post: 441453" data-attributes="member: 11881">Good to see someone else on here from Utah.To your question. Shooting any average sized bird with a 50 mm lens is going to be too far away on either a crop sensor or a full frame. And lets say you have good glass, light, and good technique to get the best shot ever taken by a camera. At 30 to 50 yards that you have mentioned, cropping down to that average sized bird will have no use other than just a smallish web image - not enough image left for a quality print. There is no getting away from needing zoom for birds.For landscape and night photography full frame is the way to go. As I see it, what seems to rise to the surface is...&nbsp; First, a full frame camera. Second, a fifty or wider lens for your landscape photography. Third, a 70-300mm maybe with a small 1.4 Nikon teleconvertor and stealthy skills to sneak up on the birds. From what you have described I see no other way around needing two lenses to accomplish your goals. Welcome to the forum.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Moab Man, post: 441453, member: 11881"] Good to see someone else on here from Utah. To your question. Shooting any average sized bird with a 50 mm lens is going to be too far away on either a crop sensor or a full frame. And lets say you have good glass, light, and good technique to get the best shot ever taken by a camera. At 30 to 50 yards that you have mentioned, cropping down to that average sized bird will have no use other than just a smallish web image - not enough image left for a quality print. There is no getting away from needing zoom for birds. For landscape and night photography full frame is the way to go. As I see it, what seems to rise to the surface is... First, a full frame camera. Second, a fifty[B] or wider [/B]lens for your landscape photography. Third, a 70-300mm maybe with a small 1.4 Nikon teleconvertor and stealthy skills to sneak up on the birds. From what you have described I see no other way around needing two lenses to accomplish your goals. Welcome to the forum. [/QUOTE]

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