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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stoshowicz" data-source="post: 492794" data-attributes="member: 31397"><p>Hawks are often tricky , we dont have a good look at the tail on this one for confidence , but when I look at it , the clearly white bars on the leading edges of the primaries, and across the secondaries suggest imm red-shoulder again. Its not a slam dunk for me though since some of the broad-wings can look quite a lot like this but they usually have a dark area or stripe extending back from the base of the jaw. I just havent seen any examples of coopers where the Upper side leading edge of the primaries has the white bars. Although the white margins are somewhat worn, I think it still looks like basic red shoulder here in the SE.</p></blockquote><p></p>