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Message: <blockquote data-quote="snaphappy" data-source="post: 162299" data-attributes="member: 12198">I completely understand and agree Ohkphoto.  I think the problem lies in that people don't read rules....  Second there are very many levels that use this forum.  The way I see it is that its like school and what we'd expect as a fantastic work from a kindergartener is not what we'd expect from a university student who has worked at it for years or does it as a career.   There are many junior high and elementary photographers in this forum as well.  The critique section as is, is really meant for High School, University levels and pros which I think that's fantastic.  I love reading through those posts and picking up on things people see.  I had a look through my instructors newest book I can't remember what its called but it's a huge coffee table book with all of the images that hung in the international competition.  Some images were just stunning, some incredibly creative and some I'd have loved to see critiques because really I was wondering why?  I think the critique problem lies with the newer students that really think they've done a great job (friends family have told them) and maybe they have a great image but they're really still needing basic reminders and learning tools so a softer gentler critique.  Not a pat on the back while everyone secretly thinks its crap.  Like the person I wrote of with a facebook portfolio the person had a great eye and is trying to make a go of it but really simple things are needing to be pointed out so they can grow.  When learning it's best to get a critique where you point out things done well (sometimes they don't know they did it well) and something they should work on.  Someone who just picked up a new DSLR or has only been tinkering for the past couple years isn't looking for the same type of critique as someone who is working at it professionally or has been enjoying the hobby for many years.  There is ALOT to learn and as a kindergartener with the camera I would like a place to post a photo I think is 5star for me but hope that others would be honest and tell me what I could improve on but not dampen my love for the hobby.  Jeff wrote exactly what some forum users are looking for.  What they did right, what did wrong and how to improve for next time.  Those looking to get into competitions and working on portfolios are looking for something much more in depth which you do well ohkphoto and I enjoy looking over what you have to say because I learn from it every time so the 12 point system critique is great as well.  Hope I made sense and didn't bore you all with my wordiness</blockquote>

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