Nikon Sigma bad blood

rocketman122

Senior Member
$14.5 million plus much much more from the killer selfie stick and they may have a bull revenue finally!

and they just had 2 QC issues. the D750 and the 300mm PF

nice! Im so proud. gooo nikon!
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
All I can is this had better not impact Sigma releasing the 85mm f/1.4 DG HSM "Art" lens I've been waiting for RATHER PATIENTLY ... Sigma!


*shakes fist at Nikon*
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rocketman122

Senior Member
cant wait. $900 since thats what theyre selling them all at. it will be my first sigma purchase for years. I started with all sigma gear then my wallet was screwed once I got hold of an 85 1.4 AIS.

those ART lenses are just killing it. my biggest curiosity is to see number of units sold of gear 5 years ago and today from nikon. id love to know how much of a hit nikon takes today compared to years back. a few years back, you knew that if you wanted the best you had to get the nikon. if you bought a sigma you were willing to compromise because of price. the difference was substantial. the build wasnt anything special. it has that ugly crinkle EX finish with shiny flecks in it. it would lack the polish of the nikon. the AF wasnt accurate, the lens isnt as sharp shot wide open and lacks contrast. the whole feel was that you payed less and that lens wasnt as capable and you got what you payed for.

with these art lenses its simply the opposite. theyre built better than the nikon lenses (shame on you nikon) and the optics are fantastic. theyre priced pretty fairly (less would be better -but..).
many nikon lenses by contrast are way overpriced. the build is not as good as it used to be. the SWM isnt as good as the D gen and I for one have no interest in any nikon lens in the lineup. except for fantasies like a 200/300/400 prime.

im also curious how hard is nikon hit with so many photographers not buying nikon flashes, camera batteries or grips from them today. really curious how hard theyre hit. I have to guess that its significant. because on the MANY facebook groups I frequent, thats all thats recommended. links to sellers (alieexpress/banggood/dx/chinabuye/ebay) who sell 3rd party gear. a member buys, uses it, comes back and he recommends to the other and its a nonstop loop. flashes grips batteries..whatever. and many of them are pros who are just tired of paying nikons crazy prices. the yen has been down for a long time and the prices are not adjusted.

its a bit slow on the US side where people arent too aware of the 3rd party asian market. many in the US are hesitant and prefer ease of mind and feel theyre better buying full price and dont really look for better offers. you can see that the US folks arent too aware of whats available outside of the amazon/bh/adorama trio. not everyone is like this and many have had exposure already.

but for the folks in europe its just natural to buy 3rd party. mainly because we here get royally screwed with excessive prices when you go the nikon/canon route. in europe, its expensive as crap to buy OEM. so people save tons and go with aftermarket. they are extremely satisfied not only with the priduct but because they saved tons of money.
 

Rick M

Senior Member
Agreed. After owning the Sigma Art and the new Oly Pro lenses, Nikon really needs to give their lenses a facelift. The plastic, rubber grips and tacky gold lettering is a bit dated. As much as I love Nikon they need to kick it up a notch.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Nikon CAN do better. we all know it. when I see the old school metal AI/AIS lenses and compare them to the new plastic ones, I think something is missing with the G. just pick up an AI/S lens and play with the damped focus ring. then do that with an AFS lens. feels very mechanical and rough to me and no joy to use. the throw is so small that minute adjustmenbts is very difficult.

im not saying they have to go back to making metal lenses, im agreeing 1000% with Rick in that they need to up the quality of the current build. it feels like theyre skimped out. you look at the lens in pictures and it looks chic and impressive. then you hold it. the cheap plastic lacks the feeling of a premium product. I remember when a friend went and bought an 85 1.8G. I had my 85 1.8D with me. we held both to compare and couldnt stop laughing. we were both shocked how cheap it feels. disappointing. it looks impressive with the size and polished and chic but the cheapness is evident.

I recently saw someone with the 58 1.4G and cmon, that lens is $1700. its just horrible. the AF motor is slow, the lens isnt sharp till about F2.5 and cheap plastic hood leaves u feeling underwhelmed. it has pleasing bokeh and nice rendering with colors but is that really worth $1700? very sad to see a 3rd party MFR selling gear at half price and outperforming the nikon we once knew.

yea nikon, the selfie stick is priority for your reputation in the publics eye.
 

SkvLTD

Senior Member
Nikon CAN do better. we all know it. when I see the old school metal AI/AIS lenses and compare them to the new plastic ones, I think something is missing with the G. just pick up an AI/S lens and play with the damped focus ring. then do that with an AFS lens. feels very mechanical and rough to me and no joy to use. the throw is so small that minute adjustmenbts is very difficult.

im not saying they have to go back to making metal lenses, im agreeing 1000% with Rick in that they need to up the quality of the current build. it feels like theyre skimped out. you look at the lens in pictures and it looks chic and impressive. then you hold it. the cheap plastic lacks the feeling of a premium product. I remember when a friend went and bought an 85 1.8G. I had my 85 1.8D with me. we held both to compare and couldnt stop laughing. we were both shocked how cheap it feels. disappointing. it looks impressive with the size and polished and chic but the cheapness is evident.

I recently saw someone with the 58 1.4G and cmon, that lens is $1700. its just horrible. the AF motor is slow, the lens isnt sharp till about F2.5 and cheap plastic hood leaves u feeling underwhelmed. it has pleasing bokeh and nice rendering with colors but is that really worth $1700? very sad to see a 3rd party MFR selling gear at half price and outperforming the nikon we once knew.

yea nikon, the selfie stick is priority for your reputation in the publics eye.

While my experience with the current big guns is limited to my 70-200, I'll say that it's a build worthy to be a legacy successor. 24-70 doesn't feel shabby either, but definitely agree that thing in between feel like little toys instead of proper equipment. There's weight issue to consider, which is definitely what they're going for with plastic, but I too want to see more solid builds outside of the newbie and medium range of glass. Now, if that 58/1.4 and even say 85/1.4 feel like the 50/1.8, then indeed there's a huge slop.

Still gotta get my hands on at least 1 Tokina since they seem to be keeping up the quality build game even today.
 

Rick M

Senior Member
Sigma has managed to take plastic to the next level. The new barrels resemble finely machined metal with engraved ribs instead of thick rubber bands. They also don't have that bulky plastic feel and have toned down painted lettering. Same with Oly, but actual metal barrels and plastic at the front lip where it is needed for impact resistance. Granted plastic does have some advantages over metal, but Sigma has really refined it over Nikons offerings.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
While my experience with the current big guns is limited to my 70-200, I'll say that it's a build worthy to be a legacy successor. 24-70 doesn't feel shabby either, but definitely agree that thing in between feel like little toys instead of proper equipment. There's weight issue to consider, which is definitely what they're going for with plastic, but I too want to see more solid builds outside of the newbie and medium range of glass. Now, if that 58/1.4 and even say 85/1.4 feel like the 50/1.8, then indeed there's a huge slop.

Still gotta get my hands on at least 1 Tokina since they seem to be keeping up the quality build game even today.

all the primes are the same for feel/finish. from the 50 1.8g to the 58 1.4 (from cheapest to most expensive) , its all the same. the D lenses were separated between the 50/85 1.8/1.4 they look different ,feel different. you feel like you bought a high end lens when you bought the 85 1.4D vs the 1.8D.

the 58/85 1.4 g both have a bronzer gold trim/lettering and an N letter so that warrants the $1200 price bump ;)

I had the 28-80 2.8 in the film days and it was very well made.

btw never take all reviews seriously. popphoto had a review of the 28-80 and noted it to be better than nikon and canons 28-70 2,8. no, it simply wasnt the case. far from it. better than the sigma 28-70 EX 2.8 but no where on the same level as the nikon.

really wanting to get more information regarding the tokina 24-70 2.8. no new news as of yet.


Sigma has managed to take plastic to the next level. The new barrels resemble finely machined metal with engraved ribs instead of thick rubber bands. They also don't have that bulky plastic feel and have toned down painted lettering. Same with Oly, but actual metal barrels and plastic at the front lip where it is needed for impact resistance. Granted plastic does have some advantages over metal, but Sigma has really refined it over Nikons offerings.

completely different level. its something very odd. nikon has gone down and sigma comes up. we are surely in a new time. and in all 3 criteria. price performance build. im not a big sigma fan because of my past frustration with them. but I have to say that im ready to try them again. just bring the damn 85 ART already.

the fuji lenses are also very nicely built. exactly as u say, there is different levels in plastic. the matte finish of the nikon G wasnt a good choice to convey quality and durability imo. the 85 1.4D is all metal and feels like a tank. the new finish of the G looks sleek but there is no sense of quality when I held them. the D was not sleek, even looking geeky/technical but they feel quality. look at the 105/135 DC. all metal. A $1700 and there is no sense of quality when you hold it. again, it looks sleek and modern but no toughness in the build. the cheapness quality in the hood and the fact they use plastic threading for filters and the hood shows the low level theyve gone down to. $1700. wow an all time low. for shame nikon.
 

SkvLTD

Senior Member
Don't know about current Tamron, but my 90SP E72 model (pre-Di marking and tubing) feels absolutely premium compared to say, Nikon D series and even the G. Looks like plastic, feels like plastic, but like a high-end Japanese collectible vs $5 Gi Joe. Normally I actually like plastic itself as a material, but G lenses kinda ruined it for me after I got my hands on my Tamron, even more so. Metal is growing on me via old glass.
 
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