Nikon 70-200 VRII + TC-20e III on D7100 and 70-300VR on D800

Geoffc

Senior Member
Further to my recent thread about my wife looking for a 400mm solution, this weekend we went to the zoo so she could try my Nikon 70-200 VRII + TC-20e III on her D7100. For this trip I used her Nikon 70-300VR on my D800, albeit I tried to keep it around 200mm as it does start to go soft at the long end and I was trying to let her see what it could do next to my combo.

For all the shooting we kept the shutter speed at 1/1000 and let the ISO deal with the light up to ISO 3200. I was impressed with both cameras even at 3200. The 400mm combo was used wide open at F5.6 and I let the 70-300 use 7.1 to give it a chance at being sharp. I have three examples here which compare the bare 70-200, 70-200 with TC and also the 70-300. They are all taken from roughly the same position.

We took many shots but I think these are good examples of how the lenses performed when they performed well. I think a bit more work is required generally on the AF technique with the 400mm combo but that's operator error I think. These shots are all handheld and I think 1/1000 or above is definitely required, especially on these 24 and 36MP sensors.

In summary I think we concluded the following:


  • The 70-300VR is a nice lens and great for the price. Not bad at 200mm, softish at 300mm. This is relative to what you're used to. Some will be happy across the board if they haven't tried something much more expensive. I would still recommend this to people if they haven't got £2000 to spend.
  • The 70-200 +TC at 400mm is capable of excellent results, even wide open, but needs a good technique and fast shutter speed.
  • The 70-200VRII does not need any explaination from me as it's simply a great lens.

Other observations are that the D7100 resolution is better than the D800 for this kind of shooting, as expected. The D7100 returns excellent images, although on these images you can see some moire effect on the feathers due to lack of AA filter. We are trading our two D300s for a second D7100 as a backup / wildlife camera for me.

All in all it was an interesting test, but I think this week is going to be rather expensive!! Actually the 70-200 has a £160 rebate in the UK at the moment which is OK.
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
Geoff - This link might help out a bit.

Natural Art Images: Brad Hill: Field Tests: Four Ways to 400mm


I would add getting a Nikon 200mm f2 VR + FT1+ J or V series camera to get 540mm at f2! :cool:

Thanks for the link Glenn, I think I read this article when I originally bought mine. I guess everything in life is a compromise and my view of the combo vs the 70-300vr is like the authors view of the more expensive options in this test. The big thing with this is that it will be used without the TC as well (probably more often) which makes for a very good 70-200 2.8.
 

Ambient

Senior Member
Can I just ask a question sort of related to this topic? Warning: It is a math question. ;)
I have an 18-140mm on a D7000. So will that get me as close as a 210 on full frame (140 x 1.5=210)?
So if I was to get a 70-200 and a 1.4 teleconverter, would that give me essentially 147mm to 420mm? (70 x 1.5=105 x 1.4=147 to 200 x 1.5=300 x 1.4=420) Is that how it works? I am debating between a 70-300mm f4 and the 300mm f4 both with a 1.4 teleconverter. Sorry if I am hijacking this thread but I have been following it closely (I would also like a little more length! :friendly_wink:) Oh and one other thing I do own an older 70-210mm 4-5.6 no D and I am looking to get something a little more current.
This is doing my head in!

Thanks.
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
Can I just ask a question sort of related to this topic? Warning: It is a math question. ;)
I have an 18-140mm on a D7000. So will that get me as close as a 210 on full frame (140 x 1.5=210)?
So if I was to get a 70-200 and a 1.4 teleconverter, would that give me essentially 147mm to 420mm? (70 x 1.5=105 x 1.4=147 to 200 x 1.5=300 x 1.4=420) Is that how it works? I am debating between a 70-300mm f4 and the 300mm f4 both with a 1.4 teleconverter. Sorry if I am hijacking this thread but I have been following it closely (I would also like a little more length! :friendly_wink:) Oh and one other thing I do own an older 70-210mm 4-5.6 no D and I am looking to get something a little more current.
This is doing my head in!

Thanks.

Your maths and logic is correct. The 400mm combo on the D7100 is the equivelant of 600mm on a full frame. I'm not getting into the debate of field of view vs. magnification.
 

Ambient

Senior Member
Thanks Geoff. I am not knowledgable enough to debate! I have a budget and I don't want to duplicate too much of what my 18-140 gives me with a new lens. The old 70-210 is supposed to a dust problem (push/pull), so I was just thinking of replacing and updating it. Some one at a local camera store made me second guess my choice because of the math! Maybe I should just order online! I really appreciate you help. I was impressed by the parrot photos and really wish the 2.8 was in my budget but it is not and probably won't be for years to come! I really hope the f4 will work almost as well.:)
 

Ambient

Senior Member
Sorry just noticed that I typed 70-300 instead of 70-200 as one of my choices. The debate is between Nikon 300mm f4 and Nikon 70-200mm f4. And it rages on!
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
Sorry just noticed that I typed 70-300 instead of 70-200 as one of my choices. The debate is between Nikon 300mm f4 and Nikon 70-200mm f4. And it rages on!

Thanks I'm glad you liked the photos that my wife took. I took the 70-300 one.From what I know the 70-200 F4 is as good optically as the 2.8, you just lose a stop of light and I don't think you would be putting a TC on it. That stop of light helps shutter speed, ISO and autofocus speed.

The 300 f4 should be as good if not better than the 70-200 2.8 with the TC attached. The big advantage of the combo is the option to use the bare 70-200 2.8 lens which is very good.

I tried my wife's kenko 1.4 TC on the 70-200 today and it works very well. As a result she is just getting the 70-200 2.8 this week and we can haggle over who gets which TC for the moment.
 

Ambient

Senior Member
Well I decided on the 70-200 f4. I will get a 1.4 tc to go with it. I ordered it Friday and it came today!

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