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<blockquote data-quote="Revet" data-source="post: 228379" data-attributes="member: 17612">I am starting flash photography and want to start experimenting and learning off-camera flash photography.&nbsp; I currently have a Nikon D3100 camera (not a commander) and an SB-700 Speedlight.I have been looking at the SB-600 and SB-800 flashes to add as my second.&nbsp; I have read up on them and understand the differences but since I do not have experience in flash photography, I do not know if I need the bell's and whistles of the 800.&nbsp; Here are some of my thoughts and questions;1) I can fire the 800 with my pop-up on the 3100 in SU-4 mode.&nbsp; That would give me 3 flashes to use; the 700 and 800 off the camera, and the pop-up to provide some direct fill if needed.&nbsp; Is there any value to using the pop-up in photographing portraits, or something you are shooting within it's range??&nbsp; Or am I just better off getting a radio transmitter to fire the two off-camera flashes and forget about the pop-up?&nbsp; I guess another way to phrase the question is; can I use the pop-up (to fire the other two) as a fill by turning the flash compensation down to a level that it still fires the other flashes but doesn't overpower the shot (again in SU-4 mode)?2) If I go with the radio transmitter, do they have TTL capability with the 600, 700 and 800?&nbsp; How about CLS capability?&nbsp; I know there will be times when I use flashes in manual but I do want to be able to use TTL when I'm pressed for time or just being lazy.&nbsp; Do I need the Nikon-CLS also (from you people out there that have experience using it).&nbsp; 3) The 800 has the added power over the 600 (and 700).&nbsp; Is that a huge bonus or is the 600 enough (with a 700 added if needed) for most shots??Thanks for any thoughts and advice on my thought processes going on here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Revet, post: 228379, member: 17612"] I am starting flash photography and want to start experimenting and learning off-camera flash photography. I currently have a Nikon D3100 camera (not a commander) and an SB-700 Speedlight. I have been looking at the SB-600 and SB-800 flashes to add as my second. I have read up on them and understand the differences but since I do not have experience in flash photography, I do not know if I need the bell's and whistles of the 800. Here are some of my thoughts and questions; 1) I can fire the 800 with my pop-up on the 3100 in SU-4 mode. That would give me 3 flashes to use; the 700 and 800 off the camera, and the pop-up to provide some direct fill if needed. Is there any value to using the pop-up in photographing portraits, or something you are shooting within it's range?? Or am I just better off getting a radio transmitter to fire the two off-camera flashes and forget about the pop-up? I guess another way to phrase the question is; can I use the pop-up (to fire the other two) as a fill by turning the flash compensation down to a level that it still fires the other flashes but doesn't overpower the shot (again in SU-4 mode)? 2) If I go with the radio transmitter, do they have TTL capability with the 600, 700 and 800? How about CLS capability? I know there will be times when I use flashes in manual but I do want to be able to use TTL when I'm pressed for time or just being lazy. Do I need the Nikon-CLS also (from you people out there that have experience using it). 3) The 800 has the added power over the 600 (and 700). Is that a huge bonus or is the 600 enough (with a 700 added if needed) for most shots?? Thanks for any thoughts and advice on my thought processes going on here. [/QUOTE]

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