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<blockquote data-quote="mikew_RIP" data-source="post: 484444" data-attributes="member: 14174">Sorry but what your saying is not practical,there are many ways to do bird photography and in the last nearly 40 years i have tried most,short lenses are no good at all except very odd occasions,most of my hide work was done in pre digital days when most of us could just about afford a 300mm with out going to mirror lenses,this means i have a full understanding of subject size V distance V focal length,at a feeding station with the birds maybe 10 or 12ft away 400mm is needed to get a decent size image of something the size of a Blue tit.Now i dont have the facility's for hide work so most of my images are taken stalking,we are not talking Ducks and Geese but birds smaller than a ducks head,if most people can get within 25ft of there subject they are doing well,thats why most bird photographers stalk with 500-600mm lenses,i will agree a long lens should not be used as a distant shooting tool for the reasons you say,they should be used for short range high magnification of small targets.&nbsp;The reason you have not seen that discussion is its a pointless one as most bird photographers have the desire to get as close as they can so long as it has no detrimental affect on there subjects well being.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mikew_RIP, post: 484444, member: 14174"] Sorry but what your saying is not practical,there are many ways to do bird photography and in the last nearly 40 years i have tried most,short lenses are no good at all except very odd occasions,most of my hide work was done in pre digital days when most of us could just about afford a 300mm with out going to mirror lenses,this means i have a full understanding of subject size V distance V focal length,at a feeding station with the birds maybe 10 or 12ft away 400mm is needed to get a decent size image of something the size of a Blue tit. Now i dont have the facility's for hide work so most of my images are taken stalking,we are not talking Ducks and Geese but birds smaller than a ducks head,if most people can get within 25ft of there subject they are doing well,thats why most bird photographers stalk with 500-600mm lenses,i will agree a long lens should not be used as a distant shooting tool for the reasons you say,they should be used for short range high magnification of small targets. The reason you have not seen that discussion is its a pointless one as most bird photographers have the desire to get as close as they can so long as it has no detrimental affect on there subjects well being. [/QUOTE]

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