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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stoshowicz" data-source="post: 467317" data-attributes="member: 31397">So true, no matter what you pick , for small birds you need to be relatively close (with glass lenses at least) I never tried one of those mirror lens things. I did however do a comparison with a dollar bill between my own two cameras at 25 feet -which was far enough- both zoomed all the way out, the 50X optical , was a bit clearer to read than cropping in on the 600mm ... but not much. and of course the 200X digital was actually worse because it constitutes a crop and digital 'massage'. So at least potentially an 85X optical with a f4 aperture, could work out to some better results.</blockquote>