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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lucien" data-source="post: 763255" data-attributes="member: 36292">very nice samples and thanks for the input.  You could find another D80 for even cheaper nowadays.  I don't know about preconverted though.  The store that I spoke to has a good reputation and they've been the biz for quite a while.  I can get my D7100 done for $140 cdn.  But the camera is still too young to convert, 5.6K  it's almost brand new for an oldie.  And why waste all those mp's it's a 24mp man.  I'll go the tripod/filter route for now.  Plus what if I don't like it, I can't turn the camera back.  It's a one way process.  I've been playing around with some raw samples and it's not that hard to process.  I use Lightroom CC and they have presets for colour and B W  then I can tweak them in Silver efex. Thanks again,</blockquote>