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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dave_W" data-source="post: 83406" data-attributes="member: 9521">Yes, I agree. We do need to take this election with a grain of salt. It just seems like it's more contentious than any election I've ever seen. And yes, ol' Joe was ready to rock n' roll the other night. I think he would be much more effective if he didn't stammer with his words. And the one "stammer" where he almost called Ryan a liar was so obviously staged and rehearsed that it didn't come out naturally at all. To be honest with you, I'm beginning to think there is no real choice despite the appearance of choice. As soon as Obama got into office he moved to the right and kept a great deal of Bush's policies in effect and you can see Romney now moving towards the left even before the election. I think on the surface there is a contrast between the two parties but if look below just the surface you'll see they're far more alike than disparate.</blockquote>