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<blockquote data-quote="ohkphoto" data-source="post: 75694" data-attributes="member: 1573">I'm sorry for your loss, too, John, and empathize with you.Because I worked for several years with Nat Am, where the suicide rate is very high, we had to have a lot of training in suicide&nbsp; intervention.&nbsp; There are signs or signals, most very subtle, but the determining factor of whether we called in a referral to a &quot;suicide watch facility' was if they had a detailed plan.&nbsp; Perhaps what's happening today in this hectic pace is that people just don't take the time to notice or feel that it's none of their business.&nbsp; We're all running in different directions and don't take the time to really LISTEN to and SEE the person other than hi and good bye.&nbsp; If it was a murder-suicide (I read the article), it sounds like she just &quot;snapped&quot; -- from the article it doesn't sound like a long term plan (she graduated, had a job offer, etc.) . . . it sounds like something recently happened to trigger this.&nbsp; And why kill the dogs, too?&nbsp; What ever caused her to cross the line involved the dogs.&nbsp; It's also unusual for women to use a gun for suicide . . . that's not being sexist . . . those are stats from the people who measure the morbid.&nbsp; The bottom line is that if somebody wants to do themselves in, they'll find a way.&nbsp; It's sad that they no longer see the value in this life, and don't seem to care that they cause grief to the ones who now have to go on without them.&nbsp; But maybe that's part of the problem . . . they just don't feel that they matter enough (and that's an &quot;inside' thing . . . you have to consider yourself worthy enough to be loved)&nbsp; What appalls me is when they take out others.Sad case all around.&nbsp; We all walk a different path; it's unfortunate that some believe that they have to walk the path alone.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ohkphoto, post: 75694, member: 1573"] I'm sorry for your loss, too, John, and empathize with you. Because I worked for several years with Nat Am, where the suicide rate is very high, we had to have a lot of training in suicide intervention. There are signs or signals, most very subtle, but the determining factor of whether we called in a referral to a "suicide watch facility' was if they had a detailed plan. Perhaps what's happening today in this hectic pace is that people just don't take the time to notice or feel that it's none of their business. We're all running in different directions and don't take the time to really LISTEN to and SEE the person other than hi and good bye. If it was a murder-suicide (I read the article), it sounds like she just "snapped" -- from the article it doesn't sound like a long term plan (she graduated, had a job offer, etc.) . . . it sounds like something recently happened to trigger this. And why kill the dogs, too? What ever caused her to cross the line involved the dogs. It's also unusual for women to use a gun for suicide . . . that's not being sexist . . . those are stats from the people who measure the morbid. The bottom line is that if somebody wants to do themselves in, they'll find a way. It's sad that they no longer see the value in this life, and don't seem to care that they cause grief to the ones who now have to go on without them. But maybe that's part of the problem . . . they just don't feel that they matter enough (and that's an "inside' thing . . . you have to consider yourself worthy enough to be loved) What appalls me is when they take out others. Sad case all around. We all walk a different path; it's unfortunate that some believe that they have to walk the path alone. [/QUOTE]

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