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<blockquote data-quote="WayneF" data-source="post: 601918" data-attributes="member: 12496">Isn't this part of two different thoughts?&nbsp;&nbsp; Using a flash meter is dependent on which of the two is applicable. Maybe it needs a more clear dividing line?It is of course true that a separate meter is of no use for TTL flash.&nbsp; It will just meter the TTL preflash, and even if metering did work, you&nbsp; still have no way to set a TTL flash level.&nbsp; TTL is&nbsp; automation, it's&nbsp; gonna meter and control with its own meter.&nbsp; Flash compensation can move&nbsp; that up or down a little, but we cannot just set a TTL level.&nbsp; The&nbsp; system is going to set the level.And a flash is not appropriate for the Nikon Commander either, even in&nbsp; its MAN mode.&nbsp; Due to all of that preliminary command flashing...&nbsp; &nbsp; Commander MAN mode is not quite the same as real Manual mode M.A hand held meter is way out of place with either of those.I like this half of it.&nbsp; I do like TTL sometimes, its automation may be the fast way to work, maybe for walk around quick work. But not for a fixed studio situation of critical work. Then the meter&nbsp; makes all the difference for multiple manual flash control (meaning real&nbsp; genuine manual flash mode, the mode called M on the flash menu).&nbsp; The&nbsp; meter is the only way you can set the manual flashes to have a good idea&nbsp; of what they are going to do, and to know your ratio, etc. Manual flash is the full control method,&nbsp; and speaking of multiple flash, the meter is necessary to know what&nbsp; we're doing.&nbsp; Manual (real Manual) is the easiest to trigger too, we&nbsp; have a wide choice of radio or optical slave triggers, or PC cord, etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; It all just works.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WayneF, post: 601918, member: 12496"] Isn't this part of two different thoughts? Using a flash meter is dependent on which of the two is applicable. Maybe it needs a more clear dividing line? It is of course true that a separate meter is of no use for TTL flash. It will just meter the TTL preflash, and even if metering did work, you still have no way to set a TTL flash level. TTL is automation, it's gonna meter and control with its own meter. Flash compensation can move that up or down a little, but we cannot just set a TTL level. The system is going to set the level. And a flash is not appropriate for the Nikon Commander either, even in its MAN mode. Due to all of that preliminary command flashing... Commander MAN mode is not quite the same as real Manual mode M. A hand held meter is way out of place with either of those. I like this half of it. I do like TTL sometimes, its automation may be the fast way to work, maybe for walk around quick work. But not for a fixed studio situation of critical work. Then the meter makes all the difference for multiple manual flash control (meaning real genuine manual flash mode, the mode called M on the flash menu). The meter is the only way you can set the manual flashes to have a good idea of what they are going to do, and to know your ratio, etc. [B] Manual flash is the full control method[/B], and speaking of multiple flash, the meter is necessary to know what we're doing. Manual (real Manual) is the easiest to trigger too, we have a wide choice of radio or optical slave triggers, or PC cord, etc. It all just works. [/QUOTE]

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