G lenses on an nikon F4

[Dennis Kussener]

hello,

Well I'm thinking to buy a Nikon F4 so I'll learn to think more before shooting. I became a really machine gunner. I ferquently end up with 1000* shot's of an event, and at the end I publish about 50-100 of them.
Now I was looking for the so awesome Nikon F4, I'm actually an analog noob. I grew up in a digital world (I'm from 1996 ).

I looked up a lot about the F4, It has autofocus., but, will the autofocus work with my current G series lenses? how can I set the aperture?
I get that I won't be able to use my DX glass

AF-D lenses do have an aperture ring, so are they fully compatible?, (like is the F4 doing the metering wide open and only closes down for the actual exposure ?) and does the AF work ?

Greets
Dennis Kussener

 

[ShootRaw]

I do not thinking buying another camera will remedy the issue..You admit your problem so save your $$ and stick with the D7100..Take the time to compose your shots better with the new G lens you bought from not spending it on a camera that might not be compatible..

 

[dmc]

Since you didn't ask for an opinion on this move, I'll respect your intelligence and not offer one. The AF-D lenses were designed for the F4 and will work flawlessly with it. The G series will AF perfectly, but will shoot at the smallest aperture. The F4 may be the best film camera ever made. Hope this helps.

 

[Dennis Kussener]

Glad too know af-D lensens would work just fine

Still one thing I wanna know, Is there really no way too have control over the aperture with G-lenses ?

 

[ShootRaw]

hello,

Well I'm thinking to buy a Nikon F4 so I'LL learn to think more before shooting. I became a really machine gunner. I ferquently end up with 1000* shot's of an event, and at the end I publish about 50-100 of them.


Greets
Dennis Kussener

Since you didn't ask for an opinion on this move, I'll respect your intelligence and not offer one.

This is why I commented like I did..If the o.p is rushing his shots or spraying and praying..A film camera is the solution? I think not..If he wants to buy the camera because he wants one,then that is a different thing all together.

 

[dmc]

This is why I commented like I did..If the o.p is rushing his shots or spraying and praying..A film camera is the solution? I think not..If he wants to buy the camera because he wants one,then that is a different thing all together.

My dear friend, it is not our place, unless invited. Your strong feelings against film are well known. If you are honest, just tell the OP you hate film. On the other hand some of us like film. I will stand here and declare myself amongst them. Non the less, the OP asked a simple question regarding the use of lenses. Don't recall him asking if it was a good idea.

 

[ShootRaw]

I do not dislike film cameras^^^lol... I made my point being any new camera or old will correct being trigger happy..

 

[Dennis Kussener]

This is why I commented like I did..If the o.p is rushing his shots or spraying and praying..A film camera is the solution? I think not..If he wants to buy the camera because he wants one,then that is a different thing all together.

well shure I also want an F4, and I think it really will help to think more about ech shot.

The only thing I want to know for shure is that G series lensens will work , (still don't know is there any way too close down the aperture?)

my questions about af-D lenses ar al solved, they are just fully compatible. , which is great too hear

 

[crycocyon]

http://nikonites.com/film-slrs/2167...ikon-d7000-w-af-s-lenses-d.html#axzz2xhWaNAox

 

[Nikon78]

I know they work on the F100, but have never used the F4. Nikon USA support site has a page with product manuals that are available for download, and they should indicate compatibility.

 

[crycocyon]

Again, from my review of the F4S:

However, I was able to throw the 50mm 1.4G and 85mm 1.4G on it and I was so pleased with how it focused the lenses. The F4 works with AF-S lenses in P mode or S mode, not A mode or M mode. I learned quickly how to make the aperture change, however, just by adjusting the shutter speed (faster shutter speeds open up the aperture more). The feel, heft, and ease of use of the F4 was just a joy. I also threw my SB-800 flash on the F4 and it just worked, no problem. The flash even matched the focal length of the AF-S lens.

The genius of Nikon is that they can engineer something like the F4 in the late 1980s, and here we are in 2014 and the camera can still operate with the latest AF-S lenses. Plus, it even take pre-AI lenses. No other Nikon camera can accept ANY Nikon lens. It still boggles my mind.

Read more: http://nikonites.com/film-slrs/2167...ikon-d7000-w-af-s-lenses-d.html#ixzz328DWkG6U
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[Alexander Marsden]

Hey good on you for delving into film cameras, I have had a couple and they took superb shots. I originally learnt photography on film cameras and learnt how to use a darkroom and develop and print film in black and white. Whilst digital cameras are extremely good and I have seen some exceptional shots I have also seen brilliant work on film cameras. From my work in video I find optical film and optical zoom to be superior but technology changes quickly and huge improvements continue. But I sometimes wonder if I had taken my shot on a film camera would it look better, so why not experiment and get the best of both worlds. From my research practically any Nikon lens will work on an F4 and you will get many brilliant shots but just how versatile some lens are will be is an issue. Also some lenses will need you to focus manually, a dieing art, but if you have a good eye and correct focus manually its possible to get better shots. I believe it also assists you to see the depth of field, just check your pictures once taken or use preview. I am working on developing my manual focus skills and an F4 should be ideal. In a nutshell technology continues to improve yet some still prefer film especially in medium and large format cameras. When I make my first $50 000 from selling images I might get 1 or 2. If you want to know exactly which lenses will work on the F4 and their limitations then go to the Nikon site.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I looked up a lot about the F4, It has autofocus., but, will the autofocus work with my current G series lenses? how can I set the aperture?
I get that I won't be able to use my DX glass…

Your post had me thinking.

G lenses depend on the camera to control the aperture via a mechanical linkage that was originally intended, in older cameras and lenses, just to be used to provide the feature by which the aperture is wide open during viewing,and then closes down to the setting selected on the ring when the picture is actually being taken. It was the AI-S step in the development of this system, in which this linkage was calibrated to allow it to be used to control the aperture in an accurate manner.

The F2 was the last fully-manual camera in this line, and it seems to me that any camera that supports shutter-priority automatic exposure ought to be able to control the aperture via this linkage. The Wikipedia seems to back up what I am thinking, that even if you cannot select any but the smallest aperture setting in manual, that you can operate it in shutter-priority mode and get larger aperture settings:

Its lack of electronic aperture control limits the F4's functionality with G type lenses, which do not have an aperture ring. With these lenses, exposure control is limited to program and shutter-priority modes. In addition, DX lenses are not designed to cover the full 35mm frame and will vignette when used with the F4 (or any other 35mm camera).​

Anyway, you can certainly use those lenses, in any event, if you're willing to be limited to the smallest aperture. You can even use DX lenses, but you can't count on them to cover the full frame. The picture below was taken using the 18-55mm “kit lens” that came with my D3200, mounted on my F2. No aperture control, so I could only use the smallest aperture, which at this zoom (18mm), is, I think ƒ/36. Actually, I have found through experimentation (not having taken any pictures, though, just by what I see through the viewfinder, that at any focal length greater than about 24mm, this lens does appear to cover the full 35mm frame.

 

[Borga Voffe]

Yep, way to go friends! My F4 is on its way from Tokyo to the cold and hostile darkness of Norwegian Mountains.....
I bought a 80 200 2.8 /the very latest afs/ to my d750 just for these harsh conditions. CAnt understand why I spent anotheer 170 bucks on a FILM camera?? Well I have grown up with it, used film for more than 30 years. And now I see a growing interest for that. Norway, today, Nov 7th:



Not sure what film to put in, might try a tri x as it was my fav back in the 80ies. Any rec for a decent color film?
As I have several classic AF D lenses, like 24, 35, 50 and the 85 I will try them first. Then I might try a afs 24-85 G lens which serves me so well as landscape lens. Any vr lenses wont work properly I reckon?

 

[coolbus18]

Yep, way to go friends! My F4 is on its way from Tokyo to the cold and hostile darkness of Norwegian Mountains.....
I bought a 80 200 2.8 /the very latest afs/ to my d750 just for these harsh conditions. CAnt understand why I spent anotheer 170 bucks on a FILM camera?? Well I have grown up with it, used film for more than 30 years. And now I see a growing interest for that. Norway, today, Nov 7th:

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Not sure what film to put in, might try a tri x as it was my fav back in the 80ies. Any rec for a decent color film?
As I have several classic AF D lenses, like 24, 35, 50 and the 85 I will try them first. Then I might try a afs 24-85 G lens which serves me so well as landscape lens. Any vr lenses wont work properly I reckon?

Have a great time with the F4 (which I love) and many great photos too! Nope , no VR. Enjoy !!