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<blockquote data-quote="WayneF" data-source="post: 151172" data-attributes="member: 12496"><p>This is no doubt very frustrating for everyone. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> There is no reasonable explanation why the Flash-Ready indicator would blink in bright sun when the flash was not being used. There is even less reason why it would do this in P mode but not in A mode. No one will know why this time, we simply need more info about the situation. Aperture would be about the only candidate, but Auto ISO could affect it. As is, we know nothing. Frankly, it is sounding like a camera defect. Certainly it is not normal operation.</p><p> </p><p>An experienced troubleshooter with access to the camera (like a repair shop) would try different things, hoping to chance onto any additional information that might show some possible cause. </p><p></p><p>Short of that access, it would at least be be good to see the Exif data (the complete data).</p><p></p><p><strong>The camera records in the image file just about every possible setting that was used. This is called Exif data</strong>, and most photo programs show it, or at least some of it. However, when Adobe programs rewrite the file, some of the Nikon data is omitted then. And worse, when Adobe programs save it with the File - Save For Web menu, they omit ALL of the Exif data.</p><p></p><p>Also, even if present in your image upload, some posting host sites strip away the Exif data. I am not sure about this site, but it certainly does appears to strip it, at least I have never seen an exception here with the Exif data. So sorry, I doubt posting the image here can help. If you could post it on your own web site, the Exif probably would show.</p><p></p><p>So... it's very difficult to know more than what you can tell us. </p><p></p><p>You did post guesses about exposure, but frankly, if ISO 800, Sunny 16 says f/11 would be about 1/1600 second shutter in bright sun. That would be the normal expectation. But you said 1/400, and that does not compute. There are some darker areas in your pictures, but the bright areas mostly do not look overexposed.</p><p></p><p>Also the big key would would see data for BOTH the P mode case when it blinked, and also see the A mode case when it did not, to try to find out what the difference was. There must be some difference. In camera A mode, you set aperture yourself, but we have no clue what it was. Seeing the Exif data can only help to know what the situation was.</p><p></p><p>Here is one way to see more, if you care to proceed. Tedious to describe, but easy to do.</p><p></p><p> You could go to this site: <a href="http://www.photome.de/" target="_blank">PhotoME - Exif, IPTC & ICC Metadata Editor</a></p><p>and download their free Exif viewer Photome. It is one of the more excellent ones, and it is free.</p><p></p><p>Then you could install it, and use its File - Open menu to open an original image straight from the camera (JPG or RAW, it does not matter, but one that does this problem). However, if you have let Adobe resave it, much Exif stuff will be gone then, only the basics left.</p><p></p><p>Then you could select its menu File - Export, as Text Output. </p><p>Then to the right side, you could select Sections checked to be Image, Camera, Manufacturer note (all three).</p><p></p><p>You can see it then. We could see it if you continue this way:</p><p>Then you click at the bottom: Copy to Clipboard.</p><p></p><p>Then you can compose a reply here, and position the mouse cursor where you want insert this, and hold CTRL and type V, which will Paste the clipboard text into that message. There is a lot of it (settings from this picture):</p><p></p><p>Here is an arbitrary sample of the Exif data that you would see then (and we could see then):</p><p>But you can see that there is much more you could tell us.</p><p></p><p>[ PhotoME ]</p><p>PhotoME version: 0.8ß2 (Build 891)</p><p></p><p>[ Overview ]</p><p>File name: E:\Camera\20130510\800_4059.NEF</p><p>File type: Nikon Camera RAW</p><p>File size: 32,903 KB</p><p>Creation date: 5/10/2013 15:26</p><p>Last modification: 5/10/2013 15:26</p><p>Make: <a href="http://www.nikon.com" target="_blank">NIKON CORPORATION</a></p><p>Camera: NIKON D800</p><p>Lens: AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-70mm F2.8G ED</p><p>Software: Ver.1.02</p><p>Focal length: 38 mm (equiv. 38 mm)</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Aperture: F5.6</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Exposure time: 1/60"</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">ISO speed rating: 100/2</span>1°</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Program: Aperture priority</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Metering Mode: Pattern</span></p><p>White Balance: Flash</p><p>Focus Mode: AF-S</p><p>Image Stabilizer: Off</p><p>Noise Reduction: Off</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Flash: Flash fired, compulsory flash mode, return light detected</span></p><p></p><p>[ Image ]</p><p>New subfile type: Reduced-resolution image data</p><p>Image width: 160 px</p><p>Image height: 120 px</p><p>Number of bits per component: 8, 8, 8</p><p>Compression scheme: uncompressed</p><p>Pixel scheme: RGB</p><p>Manufacturer: NIKON CORPORATION</p><p>Image input equipment model: NIKON D800</p><p>Image data location: 0x0001F7D0</p><p>Orientation of image: 0° (top/left)</p><p>Number of components: 3</p><p>Number of rows per strip: 120 rows</p><p>Bytes per compressed strip: 57600 bytes</p><p>Image resolution in width direction: 300 dpi</p><p>Image resolution in height direction: 300 dpi</p><p>Image data arrangement: Chunky Format (Interleaved)</p><p>Unit of X and Y resolution: inch</p><p>Software: Ver.1.02</p><p>File change date and time: 2013-05-10 15:26:19</p><p>Person who created the image: </p><p>SubIFD Pointer: 0x0002D8D0, 0x0002D948, 0x0002DA2C</p><p>Pair of black and white reference values: [0, 255, 0, 255, 0, 255]</p><p>Copyright holder: </p><p>Exif IFD Pointer: 0x00000668</p><p>GPS IFD Pointer: 0x0001F7BC</p><p>Date and time of original data generation: 2013-05-10 15:26:19</p><p>TIFF/EP Standard ID: 1.0.0.0</p><p></p><p>[ Camera ]</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Exposure time: 1/60"</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">F number: F5.6</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Exposure program: Aperture priority</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">ISO speed rating: 100/21°</span></p><p>??? (8830): 2</p><p>Date and time of original data generation: 2013-05-10 15:26:19</p><p>Date and time of digital data generation: 2013-05-10 15:26:19</p><p>Exposure bias: ±0 EV</p><p>Maximum lens aperture: 3 Av (F2.8)</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Metering mode: Pattern</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Light source: Flash</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Flash: Flash fired, compulsory flash mode, return light detected</span></p><p>Lens focal length: 38 mm</p><p>Manufacturer notes: 0x00000888</p><p>User comment: </p><p>DateTime subseconds: 0.6"</p><p>DateTimeOriginal subseconds: 0.6"</p><p>DateTimeDigitized subseconds: 0.6"</p><p>Sensing method: One-chip color area sensor</p><p>File source: Digital Camera</p><p>Scene type: A directly photographed image</p><p>CFA pattern: [Red, Green], [Green, Blue]</p><p>Custom image processing: Normal process</p><p>Exposure mode: Auto exposure</p><p>White balance: Manual</p><p>Digital zoom ratio: Digital zoom was not used</p><p>Focal length in 35 mm film: 38 mm</p><p>Scene capture type: Standard</p><p>Gain control: None</p><p>Contrast: Normal</p><p>Saturation: Normal</p><p>Sharpness: Normal</p><p>Subject distance range: Unknown</p><p></p><p>[ Manufacturer notes ]</p><p>MakerNote Version: Version 2.1.0</p><p>ISO: 100/21°</p><p>Quality: RAW</p><p>White Balance: Flash</p><p>Focus Mode: AF-S</p><p>Flash Setting: Normal</p><p>Flash Type: Optional,TTL-BL</p><p>White Balance Fine Tune: ±0, ±0?</p><p>Color Balance 1: 2.1875, 1.20703125, 1, 1</p><p>Program Shift: ±0 EV</p><p>Exposure Difference: -2.17 EV</p><p>Preview IFD Pointer: 0x00005A06</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Flash Exposure Compensation: ±0 EV</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">ISO Setting: 100/21°</span></p><p>??? (0017): 1.6.0</p><p>Flash Exposure Bracket Value: ±0 EV</p><p>Exposure Bracket Value: ±0 EV</p><p>Hi-Speed Crop: Off (7424x4924 cropped to 7424x4924 at pixel 0, 0)</p><p>??? (001C): 1.6</p><p>Serial Number: 3046677</p><p>Color Space: sRGB</p><p>VR Info Version: 1.0.0</p><p>Vibration Reduction: Off</p><p>??? (001F): 2 (Off?)</p><p>Active D-Lighting: Off</p><p>Picture Control Version: 1.0.0</p><p>Picture Control Name: STANDARD</p><p>Picture Control Base: STANDARD</p><p>Picture Control Adjust: Default Settings</p><p>Picture Control Quick Adjust: ±0</p><p>Sharpness: +3</p><p>Contrast: ±0</p><p>Brightness: ±0</p><p>Saturation: ±0</p><p>Hue Adjustment: ±0</p><p>Filter Effect: not set</p><p>Toning Effect: not set</p><p>Toning Saturation: Not set</p><p>Time Zone: UTC -6:00 (Chicago, Houston, Mexico City)</p><p>Daylight Saving Time: Off</p><p>Date Format: Month/day/year</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">ISO: 100/21°</span></p><p>ISO Expansion: Off</p><p>ISO (2): 100/21°</p><p>ISO Expansion (2): Off</p><p>Vignette Control: Normal</p><p>Lens Type: D, G</p><p>Lens: 24-70mm F2.8</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Flash Mode: Fired, External</span></p><p>Shooting Mode: Single-Frame</p><p>Auto Bracket Release: Auto Release</p><p>Lens F-Stops: 6</p><p>Shot Info Version: 2.2.2</p><p>RAW Compression: Lossless</p><p>Noise Reduction: Off</p><p>Color Balance Version: 2.1.7</p><p>Lens Data Version: 2.0.4</p><p>Used Lens: AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-70mm F2.8G ED</p><p>Exit Pupil Position: 107.8 mm</p><p>AF Aperture: F2.9</p><p>??? (0098): 9</p><p>??? (0098): 3</p><p>Focus Position: 0x42</p><p>??? (0098): 64</p><p>Focus Distance: 2 m</p><p>Focal Length: 38.9 mm</p><p>Lens ID Number: 147</p><p>Lens F-Stops: 6</p><p>Min Focal Length: 24.5 mm</p><p>Max Focal Length: 71.3 mm</p><p>Max Aperture At Min Focal: F2.8</p><p>Max Aperture At Max Focal: F2.8</p><p>MCU Version: 149</p><p>Effective Max Aperture: F2.8</p><p>??? (0098): 3</p><p>??? (0098): 72</p><p>??? (0098): 26</p><p>??? (0098): 82</p><p>??? (0098): 6</p><p>??? (0098): 0</p><p>??? (0098): 0</p><p>??? (0098): 1</p><p>??? (0098): 2</p><p>??? (0098): 0</p><p>??? (0098): 0</p><p>??? (0098): 0</p><p>??? (0098): F1.1?</p><p>RAW Image Center: x = 3712, y = 2462</p><p>Retouch History: None</p><p>??? (00A3): 0</p><p>??? (00A4): 3.0.0</p><p>Shutter Count: 4278</p><p>Multi Exposure Data Version: 1.0.0</p><p>Multi Exposure Mode: Off</p><p>Multi Exposure Shots: 0</p><p>Multi Exposure Auto Gain: Off</p><p>High ISO Noise Reduction: Normal</p><p>AF Info Version: 1.0.0</p><p>??? (00B7): 0</p><p>AF Area Mode: Single-point AF</p><p>??? (00B7): 0x0</p><p>Auto Focus: On</p><p>??? (00B7): 1</p><p>File Informations Version: 1.0.0</p><p>Directory Number: 100</p><p>File Number: 4059</p><p>??? (00B9): 0x00FF0000</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WayneF, post: 151172, member: 12496"] This is no doubt very frustrating for everyone. :) There is no reasonable explanation why the Flash-Ready indicator would blink in bright sun when the flash was not being used. There is even less reason why it would do this in P mode but not in A mode. No one will know why this time, we simply need more info about the situation. Aperture would be about the only candidate, but Auto ISO could affect it. As is, we know nothing. Frankly, it is sounding like a camera defect. Certainly it is not normal operation. An experienced troubleshooter with access to the camera (like a repair shop) would try different things, hoping to chance onto any additional information that might show some possible cause. Short of that access, it would at least be be good to see the Exif data (the complete data). [B]The camera records in the image file just about every possible setting that was used. This is called Exif data[/B], and most photo programs show it, or at least some of it. However, when Adobe programs rewrite the file, some of the Nikon data is omitted then. And worse, when Adobe programs save it with the File - Save For Web menu, they omit ALL of the Exif data. Also, even if present in your image upload, some posting host sites strip away the Exif data. I am not sure about this site, but it certainly does appears to strip it, at least I have never seen an exception here with the Exif data. So sorry, I doubt posting the image here can help. If you could post it on your own web site, the Exif probably would show. So... it's very difficult to know more than what you can tell us. You did post guesses about exposure, but frankly, if ISO 800, Sunny 16 says f/11 would be about 1/1600 second shutter in bright sun. That would be the normal expectation. But you said 1/400, and that does not compute. There are some darker areas in your pictures, but the bright areas mostly do not look overexposed. Also the big key would would see data for BOTH the P mode case when it blinked, and also see the A mode case when it did not, to try to find out what the difference was. There must be some difference. In camera A mode, you set aperture yourself, but we have no clue what it was. Seeing the Exif data can only help to know what the situation was. Here is one way to see more, if you care to proceed. Tedious to describe, but easy to do. You could go to this site: [URL="http://www.photome.de/"]PhotoME - Exif, IPTC & ICC Metadata Editor[/URL] and download their free Exif viewer Photome. It is one of the more excellent ones, and it is free. Then you could install it, and use its File - Open menu to open an original image straight from the camera (JPG or RAW, it does not matter, but one that does this problem). However, if you have let Adobe resave it, much Exif stuff will be gone then, only the basics left. Then you could select its menu File - Export, as Text Output. Then to the right side, you could select Sections checked to be Image, Camera, Manufacturer note (all three). You can see it then. We could see it if you continue this way: Then you click at the bottom: Copy to Clipboard. Then you can compose a reply here, and position the mouse cursor where you want insert this, and hold CTRL and type V, which will Paste the clipboard text into that message. There is a lot of it (settings from this picture): Here is an arbitrary sample of the Exif data that you would see then (and we could see then): But you can see that there is much more you could tell us. [ PhotoME ] PhotoME version: 0.8ß2 (Build 891) [ Overview ] File name: E:\Camera\20130510\800_4059.NEF File type: Nikon Camera RAW File size: 32,903 KB Creation date: 5/10/2013 15:26 Last modification: 5/10/2013 15:26 Make: [URL="http://www.nikon.com"]NIKON CORPORATION[/URL] Camera: NIKON D800 Lens: AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-70mm F2.8G ED Software: Ver.1.02 Focal length: 38 mm (equiv. 38 mm) [COLOR=#ff0000]Aperture: F5.6 Exposure time: 1/60"[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]ISO speed rating: 100/2[/COLOR]1° [COLOR=#ff0000]Program: Aperture priority Metering Mode: Pattern[/COLOR] White Balance: Flash Focus Mode: AF-S Image Stabilizer: Off Noise Reduction: Off [COLOR=#ff0000]Flash: Flash fired, compulsory flash mode, return light detected[/COLOR] [ Image ] New subfile type: Reduced-resolution image data Image width: 160 px Image height: 120 px Number of bits per component: 8, 8, 8 Compression scheme: uncompressed Pixel scheme: RGB Manufacturer: NIKON CORPORATION Image input equipment model: NIKON D800 Image data location: 0x0001F7D0 Orientation of image: 0° (top/left) Number of components: 3 Number of rows per strip: 120 rows Bytes per compressed strip: 57600 bytes Image resolution in width direction: 300 dpi Image resolution in height direction: 300 dpi Image data arrangement: Chunky Format (Interleaved) Unit of X and Y resolution: inch Software: Ver.1.02 File change date and time: 2013-05-10 15:26:19 Person who created the image: SubIFD Pointer: 0x0002D8D0, 0x0002D948, 0x0002DA2C Pair of black and white reference values: [0, 255, 0, 255, 0, 255] Copyright holder: Exif IFD Pointer: 0x00000668 GPS IFD Pointer: 0x0001F7BC Date and time of original data generation: 2013-05-10 15:26:19 TIFF/EP Standard ID: 1.0.0.0 [ Camera ] [COLOR=#ff0000]Exposure time: 1/60" F number: F5.6[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]Exposure program: Aperture priority[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]ISO speed rating: 100/21°[/COLOR] ??? (8830): 2 Date and time of original data generation: 2013-05-10 15:26:19 Date and time of digital data generation: 2013-05-10 15:26:19 Exposure bias: ±0 EV Maximum lens aperture: 3 Av (F2.8) [COLOR=#ff0000]Metering mode: Pattern Light source: Flash[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]Flash: Flash fired, compulsory flash mode, return light detected[/COLOR] Lens focal length: 38 mm Manufacturer notes: 0x00000888 User comment: DateTime subseconds: 0.6" DateTimeOriginal subseconds: 0.6" DateTimeDigitized subseconds: 0.6" Sensing method: One-chip color area sensor File source: Digital Camera Scene type: A directly photographed image CFA pattern: [Red, Green], [Green, Blue] Custom image processing: Normal process Exposure mode: Auto exposure White balance: Manual Digital zoom ratio: Digital zoom was not used Focal length in 35 mm film: 38 mm Scene capture type: Standard Gain control: None Contrast: Normal Saturation: Normal Sharpness: Normal Subject distance range: Unknown [ Manufacturer notes ] MakerNote Version: Version 2.1.0 ISO: 100/21° Quality: RAW White Balance: Flash Focus Mode: AF-S Flash Setting: Normal Flash Type: Optional,TTL-BL White Balance Fine Tune: ±0, ±0? Color Balance 1: 2.1875, 1.20703125, 1, 1 Program Shift: ±0 EV Exposure Difference: -2.17 EV Preview IFD Pointer: 0x00005A06 [COLOR=#ff0000]Flash Exposure Compensation: ±0 EV ISO Setting: 100/21°[/COLOR] ??? (0017): 1.6.0 Flash Exposure Bracket Value: ±0 EV Exposure Bracket Value: ±0 EV Hi-Speed Crop: Off (7424x4924 cropped to 7424x4924 at pixel 0, 0) ??? (001C): 1.6 Serial Number: 3046677 Color Space: sRGB VR Info Version: 1.0.0 Vibration Reduction: Off ??? (001F): 2 (Off?) Active D-Lighting: Off Picture Control Version: 1.0.0 Picture Control Name: STANDARD Picture Control Base: STANDARD Picture Control Adjust: Default Settings Picture Control Quick Adjust: ±0 Sharpness: +3 Contrast: ±0 Brightness: ±0 Saturation: ±0 Hue Adjustment: ±0 Filter Effect: not set Toning Effect: not set Toning Saturation: Not set Time Zone: UTC -6:00 (Chicago, Houston, Mexico City) Daylight Saving Time: Off Date Format: Month/day/year [COLOR=#ff0000]ISO: 100/21°[/COLOR] ISO Expansion: Off ISO (2): 100/21° ISO Expansion (2): Off Vignette Control: Normal Lens Type: D, G Lens: 24-70mm F2.8 [COLOR=#ff0000]Flash Mode: Fired, External[/COLOR] Shooting Mode: Single-Frame Auto Bracket Release: Auto Release Lens F-Stops: 6 Shot Info Version: 2.2.2 RAW Compression: Lossless Noise Reduction: Off Color Balance Version: 2.1.7 Lens Data Version: 2.0.4 Used Lens: AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-70mm F2.8G ED Exit Pupil Position: 107.8 mm AF Aperture: F2.9 ??? (0098): 9 ??? (0098): 3 Focus Position: 0x42 ??? (0098): 64 Focus Distance: 2 m Focal Length: 38.9 mm Lens ID Number: 147 Lens F-Stops: 6 Min Focal Length: 24.5 mm Max Focal Length: 71.3 mm Max Aperture At Min Focal: F2.8 Max Aperture At Max Focal: F2.8 MCU Version: 149 Effective Max Aperture: F2.8 ??? (0098): 3 ??? (0098): 72 ??? (0098): 26 ??? (0098): 82 ??? (0098): 6 ??? (0098): 0 ??? (0098): 0 ??? (0098): 1 ??? (0098): 2 ??? (0098): 0 ??? (0098): 0 ??? (0098): 0 ??? (0098): F1.1? RAW Image Center: x = 3712, y = 2462 Retouch History: None ??? (00A3): 0 ??? (00A4): 3.0.0 Shutter Count: 4278 Multi Exposure Data Version: 1.0.0 Multi Exposure Mode: Off Multi Exposure Shots: 0 Multi Exposure Auto Gain: Off High ISO Noise Reduction: Normal AF Info Version: 1.0.0 ??? (00B7): 0 AF Area Mode: Single-point AF ??? (00B7): 0x0 Auto Focus: On ??? (00B7): 1 File Informations Version: 1.0.0 Directory Number: 100 File Number: 4059 ??? (00B9): 0x00FF0000 [/QUOTE]
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