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<blockquote data-quote="rocketman122" data-source="post: 467515" data-attributes="member: 14443"><p>WHats up Phil.</p><p></p><p>this is what ive been saying for the longest time. ttl accuracy is just crap. technology has advanced so much, but metering(in a/s/p) and flash metering hasnt at all. shooting with the least amount of backlight renders images underexposed. and you are absolutely right. when I too compose tight the flash goes bonkers and flashes too much. I either adjust through the EC button (when I shoot in M shoot mode) on the body or the flash. I dont know what ill get on the first shot I do. basically shoot, see what the flash gives and adjust what the exposure shows. I look at the image and from experience adjust more or less see what I need to adjust. then adjust and shoot the same. sometimes its spot on, sometimes, its all over. shooting in center weighted sometimes helps but if youll have ambient light at the place, try TTLBL. metering is just a crap shoot. you learn to adjust exposure based on experience. at times on the dance floor any amount of people can stand in front of me wanting a picture. I shoot the same image 3-6 times and can get ONLY 1 usuble image. the dj dance lights makes the metering go berzerk. a ray of light will force the flash to close early and when a few people are wearing dark clothes and you did a half body shot, filling the frame with mostly dark clothing the flash will fire much more. and the same with white. but yea ttl is a crap shoot that hasnt gotten accurate as technology advanced and people take it as well its exposing for 18% grey nonsense. the D5 is supposedly supposed to have native rez to 100k and can do 15fps but they cant do anything about metering.you can try and quickly close the flash and see if the OCF is enough (should be since youre shooting quite open) and it could be that the OCF will give too much light. in that case stop down with aperture, adjust the iso a bit down and the shutter up. personally I almost never touch the iso when I shoot. one less thing to deal with. I adjust the shutter/aperture as I need.</p><p></p><p>something I want to mention. lets say youre in minimum light and (theoretically) you have enough light to shoot at iso 3200 (your limit youre willing to shoot at for grain) and you have 1/160 shutter and at f/4 (f/4 so you can get more sharpness because many lenses are a bit soft open and benefit from the minor 1 stop close), I personally would open to f/3.2 and bump my shutter. get the focus accuracy down pat and you will see the boosted shutter speed bring you better sharpness over stopping down because movement blur shows up easily 70-200 images closer to the 200mm mark, even when using vr. hand shake is exxaggerated so get your shutter up. VR is good in certain situations like still images. not for being stressesd and people moving in weddings. in WA the details are small because youre including a lot of things in the image. when youre sniping closeups, the fine details are in most of the image. tight head shot or torso shot. you need to get it frozen sharp. so get the shutter up and it will compensate for needing to stop down. it wont compensate for dof though so pay attention how you shoot 2+ people. if youre sniping candid shots then dont worry about it. but if two people stand in front of you, try to get parallel to them. </p><p></p><p>also pay attention, there is this phenomenon with people who stand in a group (and the bigger the group, the more pronnounced) they start doing a circle in front of you. those specifically who are at the edges of the frame. you have to minimize this. cause even shooting at f/8 wont help. stay at your shutter aperture. just adjust them. you have to guide them. be consident when standing in froint of people and they will feelcalmer. also pay attention to the men. they have a tendency to hug with their arms up and the jacket opens. so tell them to hag the person with their hands low around the waits of those people. watch the mens ties looking sloppy and watch womens breast line. some dont notice their cleavage showing badly. just be discrete and say "you might want o adjust your dress a bit" something like that. you want them to look their best. </p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah0SX65tyuk&feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah0SX65tyuk&feature=youtu.be</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rocketman122, post: 467515, member: 14443"] WHats up Phil. this is what ive been saying for the longest time. ttl accuracy is just crap. technology has advanced so much, but metering(in a/s/p) and flash metering hasnt at all. shooting with the least amount of backlight renders images underexposed. and you are absolutely right. when I too compose tight the flash goes bonkers and flashes too much. I either adjust through the EC button (when I shoot in M shoot mode) on the body or the flash. I dont know what ill get on the first shot I do. basically shoot, see what the flash gives and adjust what the exposure shows. I look at the image and from experience adjust more or less see what I need to adjust. then adjust and shoot the same. sometimes its spot on, sometimes, its all over. shooting in center weighted sometimes helps but if youll have ambient light at the place, try TTLBL. metering is just a crap shoot. you learn to adjust exposure based on experience. at times on the dance floor any amount of people can stand in front of me wanting a picture. I shoot the same image 3-6 times and can get ONLY 1 usuble image. the dj dance lights makes the metering go berzerk. a ray of light will force the flash to close early and when a few people are wearing dark clothes and you did a half body shot, filling the frame with mostly dark clothing the flash will fire much more. and the same with white. but yea ttl is a crap shoot that hasnt gotten accurate as technology advanced and people take it as well its exposing for 18% grey nonsense. the D5 is supposedly supposed to have native rez to 100k and can do 15fps but they cant do anything about metering.you can try and quickly close the flash and see if the OCF is enough (should be since youre shooting quite open) and it could be that the OCF will give too much light. in that case stop down with aperture, adjust the iso a bit down and the shutter up. personally I almost never touch the iso when I shoot. one less thing to deal with. I adjust the shutter/aperture as I need. something I want to mention. lets say youre in minimum light and (theoretically) you have enough light to shoot at iso 3200 (your limit youre willing to shoot at for grain) and you have 1/160 shutter and at f/4 (f/4 so you can get more sharpness because many lenses are a bit soft open and benefit from the minor 1 stop close), I personally would open to f/3.2 and bump my shutter. get the focus accuracy down pat and you will see the boosted shutter speed bring you better sharpness over stopping down because movement blur shows up easily 70-200 images closer to the 200mm mark, even when using vr. hand shake is exxaggerated so get your shutter up. VR is good in certain situations like still images. not for being stressesd and people moving in weddings. in WA the details are small because youre including a lot of things in the image. when youre sniping closeups, the fine details are in most of the image. tight head shot or torso shot. you need to get it frozen sharp. so get the shutter up and it will compensate for needing to stop down. it wont compensate for dof though so pay attention how you shoot 2+ people. if youre sniping candid shots then dont worry about it. but if two people stand in front of you, try to get parallel to them. also pay attention, there is this phenomenon with people who stand in a group (and the bigger the group, the more pronnounced) they start doing a circle in front of you. those specifically who are at the edges of the frame. you have to minimize this. cause even shooting at f/8 wont help. stay at your shutter aperture. just adjust them. you have to guide them. be consident when standing in froint of people and they will feelcalmer. also pay attention to the men. they have a tendency to hug with their arms up and the jacket opens. so tell them to hag the person with their hands low around the waits of those people. watch the mens ties looking sloppy and watch womens breast line. some dont notice their cleavage showing badly. just be discrete and say "you might want o adjust your dress a bit" something like that. you want them to look their best. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah0SX65tyuk&feature=youtu.be[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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