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<blockquote data-quote="rocketman122" data-source="post: 428288" data-attributes="member: 14443"><p>your test picture of your lady overexposed and its nothing new because she has pale skin. looking at your setting heres what I see. iso wise, youre not taking advantage of the camera. aperture. too open. shutter too high BUT..you had low iso, open aperture and high shutter and needed flash? if it was 1/60 at 1.8 and iso 800 and the scene was still dark then I would know it was dark. but here flash should have not been used or at -1.7 and just bump the iso up. </p><p></p><p>this is something ive been saying for a long time. everything has advanced except metering with the camera and flash. its still the same garbage since the supposed amazing F5 metering where they claim it has "scenes" but its nonsense. you have to learn to be good friends with adjusting the flash as needed. dont touch the EC. I would not mess with the iso or the shutter/aperture and merely adjust the flash to match the scene and to blend ambient with the flash. </p><p></p><p>1.8 is too much . 2.8-4 is fine as I noted in my previous post. under stress of the wedding, you wont be able to shoot at 1.8 and be accurate. u can use your 70-300 to snipe some people from afar. personally I wouldnt shoot past the 150mm mark on that lens as IQ will suffer. shoot wide, shoot tele, shoot from the left right, up down. dont stop shooting. dont take your time too much to compose. shoot a lot. be fast. you may say fast? isnt it better to go slow and compose properly? no. you dont have time. the ceremony is fast. its not hours. its just minutes. your slow is too slow for weddings. my slowest is too fast for you. you have to get your mindset ready that weddings are fast. you have a certain amount of time to document the ceremony AND add creativity and art and thats why its hard. you shouldnt have a lot of time to think and adjust and "try" you need to shoot and move and shoot and then change the lens and shoot more. your focus accuracy will be off on many pictures. im certain. the stress from the event puts so much pressure on you.</p><p></p><p>iso is up to u. shooting at 800 is safe. I guess you might not have known what grain really was in the film days. your mindset (and most who shoot) is that u are relying on the flash to light everything and my mindset is to use the camera/iso to expose everything to a limit where it will be acceptable to expose the scene and use the flash to supplement and get things blended well where its aesthetic. if the camera can expose what I need at iso 2000, then great, I wont use 3200 (I use FF). Ill add just the tinyest amount of flash. youre keeping iso low because youre afraid of grain, but yet its not enough by itself to expose the scene so then you throw a ton of flash to light the scene and it doesnt look natural with hotspots and heavy shadows. my mindset is the opposite. ambient exposure from CAMERA first is priority get all the exposure I can take advantage of from the camera. so that means bumping iso. then I add flash to complete the exposure. btw, the flash will erase a lot of the grain in the image. it has that affect. </p><p></p><p> theres also the benefit of the flash recycle where it will save your butt in a critical shot and the flash is recycling slowly because u were worried to use 1250iso and used 400. in weddings, first and foremost is getting the shot. thats FIRST and priority. 2nd is creativity and art. so you might miss a shot because you were afraid of grain. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I understand your protest to shoot the wedding. you need to get your technical side down. the creative part seems ok to me. most people have a hard time understanding how to add flash to a scene. they use it as a dominant light source and I use it as a supplemental light source. </p><p></p><p>there is tons we can talk about but only so much youll remember or be able to absord. keep your settings the same. leave your flash head up, card out always. dont make too much changes. youll play with the camera and possibly lose an important picture. you have to get your technical side strong so your focusing on composing and documenting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rocketman122, post: 428288, member: 14443"] your test picture of your lady overexposed and its nothing new because she has pale skin. looking at your setting heres what I see. iso wise, youre not taking advantage of the camera. aperture. too open. shutter too high BUT..you had low iso, open aperture and high shutter and needed flash? if it was 1/60 at 1.8 and iso 800 and the scene was still dark then I would know it was dark. but here flash should have not been used or at -1.7 and just bump the iso up. this is something ive been saying for a long time. everything has advanced except metering with the camera and flash. its still the same garbage since the supposed amazing F5 metering where they claim it has "scenes" but its nonsense. you have to learn to be good friends with adjusting the flash as needed. dont touch the EC. I would not mess with the iso or the shutter/aperture and merely adjust the flash to match the scene and to blend ambient with the flash. 1.8 is too much . 2.8-4 is fine as I noted in my previous post. under stress of the wedding, you wont be able to shoot at 1.8 and be accurate. u can use your 70-300 to snipe some people from afar. personally I wouldnt shoot past the 150mm mark on that lens as IQ will suffer. shoot wide, shoot tele, shoot from the left right, up down. dont stop shooting. dont take your time too much to compose. shoot a lot. be fast. you may say fast? isnt it better to go slow and compose properly? no. you dont have time. the ceremony is fast. its not hours. its just minutes. your slow is too slow for weddings. my slowest is too fast for you. you have to get your mindset ready that weddings are fast. you have a certain amount of time to document the ceremony AND add creativity and art and thats why its hard. you shouldnt have a lot of time to think and adjust and "try" you need to shoot and move and shoot and then change the lens and shoot more. your focus accuracy will be off on many pictures. im certain. the stress from the event puts so much pressure on you. iso is up to u. shooting at 800 is safe. I guess you might not have known what grain really was in the film days. your mindset (and most who shoot) is that u are relying on the flash to light everything and my mindset is to use the camera/iso to expose everything to a limit where it will be acceptable to expose the scene and use the flash to supplement and get things blended well where its aesthetic. if the camera can expose what I need at iso 2000, then great, I wont use 3200 (I use FF). Ill add just the tinyest amount of flash. youre keeping iso low because youre afraid of grain, but yet its not enough by itself to expose the scene so then you throw a ton of flash to light the scene and it doesnt look natural with hotspots and heavy shadows. my mindset is the opposite. ambient exposure from CAMERA first is priority get all the exposure I can take advantage of from the camera. so that means bumping iso. then I add flash to complete the exposure. btw, the flash will erase a lot of the grain in the image. it has that affect. theres also the benefit of the flash recycle where it will save your butt in a critical shot and the flash is recycling slowly because u were worried to use 1250iso and used 400. in weddings, first and foremost is getting the shot. thats FIRST and priority. 2nd is creativity and art. so you might miss a shot because you were afraid of grain. I understand your protest to shoot the wedding. you need to get your technical side down. the creative part seems ok to me. most people have a hard time understanding how to add flash to a scene. they use it as a dominant light source and I use it as a supplemental light source. there is tons we can talk about but only so much youll remember or be able to absord. keep your settings the same. leave your flash head up, card out always. dont make too much changes. youll play with the camera and possibly lose an important picture. you have to get your technical side strong so your focusing on composing and documenting. [/QUOTE]
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