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<blockquote data-quote="WayneF" data-source="post: 524229" data-attributes="member: 12496"><p>No, the YN568 does not contain a Commander. It can be a remote but not the commander itself. And if you put one on the hot shoe, then the internal flash cannot be the commander (because its door will not open).</p><p></p><p>Speaking of "pure" manual mode, it could be used in manual mode, and could trigger a remote also in manual mode, but this is not at all the same thing as being commander. Commander also allows TTL and lighting ratio, etc. The difference is all the commander signal flashing that occurs before the shutter. Saying, commander Manual mode is anything BUT real pure manual mode. All that extra flashing of commander signals is just not compatible with anything else in manual mode, like optical slaves or light meters.</p><p></p><p>There are two aspects of "commander"... the ability to be a remote flash triggered by the commander signals, and there is also the ability to be a commander, to control other remote flashes. A few of the Nikon flashes can be a hot shoe commander, but it is quite rare in third party flashes.</p><p></p><p>There is not much wrong with the internal flash as commander. The camera Commander menu can use it as the commander, but can disable its regular flash output (it still flashes commander commands, all before the shutter opens). Which can cause subject blinking in the pictures. There is also an infrared filter for the camera flash that can help a lot.</p><p></p><p>The SU-800 commander (on hot shoe) has advantage of being filtered to infrared, invisible so less likely to cause blinking in the subject, but it has a little less range (as commander). It could even be a commander on a camera like D5300 without one, except that models without commander also do not have FV Lock feature to be able to handle the subjects blinking. The SU-800 infrared minimizes that need, but if TTL is used, the remote flashes still do preflash (not infrared), which could still cause subject blinking. Less likely, but far from impossible. The blinking IS a problem, but is easily handled by FV Lock.</p><p></p><p>If you don't need HSS, the YN-565 would be very nice (can be a remote for the camera Commander). If you did want HSS, the YN-568 ought to be about the same, only real other difference it that it does not support an external power supply, which is doubtfully needed. Those would do anything the others can do (VK750 or YN560), and more too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WayneF, post: 524229, member: 12496"] No, the YN568 does not contain a Commander. It can be a remote but not the commander itself. And if you put one on the hot shoe, then the internal flash cannot be the commander (because its door will not open). Speaking of "pure" manual mode, it could be used in manual mode, and could trigger a remote also in manual mode, but this is not at all the same thing as being commander. Commander also allows TTL and lighting ratio, etc. The difference is all the commander signal flashing that occurs before the shutter. Saying, commander Manual mode is anything BUT real pure manual mode. All that extra flashing of commander signals is just not compatible with anything else in manual mode, like optical slaves or light meters. There are two aspects of "commander"... the ability to be a remote flash triggered by the commander signals, and there is also the ability to be a commander, to control other remote flashes. A few of the Nikon flashes can be a hot shoe commander, but it is quite rare in third party flashes. There is not much wrong with the internal flash as commander. The camera Commander menu can use it as the commander, but can disable its regular flash output (it still flashes commander commands, all before the shutter opens). Which can cause subject blinking in the pictures. There is also an infrared filter for the camera flash that can help a lot. The SU-800 commander (on hot shoe) has advantage of being filtered to infrared, invisible so less likely to cause blinking in the subject, but it has a little less range (as commander). It could even be a commander on a camera like D5300 without one, except that models without commander also do not have FV Lock feature to be able to handle the subjects blinking. The SU-800 infrared minimizes that need, but if TTL is used, the remote flashes still do preflash (not infrared), which could still cause subject blinking. Less likely, but far from impossible. The blinking IS a problem, but is easily handled by FV Lock. If you don't need HSS, the YN-565 would be very nice (can be a remote for the camera Commander). If you did want HSS, the YN-568 ought to be about the same, only real other difference it that it does not support an external power supply, which is doubtfully needed. Those would do anything the others can do (VK750 or YN560), and more too. [/QUOTE]
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