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<blockquote data-quote="gqtuazon" data-source="post: 231273" data-attributes="member: 6573"><p>Roger. I'll fire away then. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DraganDL: Just like Marcel have pointed out, we have thick skin as moderators. It is not about me that I am trying to avoid these type of measurebating. Some of the frequent forum members are uncomfortable when this type of discussions are happening which is what I am trying to avoid.</p><p></p><p>I think the bottomline here is a miscommunication. You just need to be careful on how you type your statements since "perception" could change or be translated to different meaning or conclusion which is why I mentioned previously that you lack the confidence, ability or possibly gear envy once you started comparing sensors and your experience with other forums. That's probably not your intention but that's how it is being perceived by me. </p><p></p><p>I understand that this is a "wishful request" thread and my original remark made me curious on why would someone like you feel being looked down by other photography forums. Granted, Dpreview is one of those forums where gloves are always off and if you frequent that forum, you will see plenty of that type of discussion.</p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p></p><p>"I" viewed your given examples when comparing extreme ISO images such as 25,600 or ISO 12,800 to be pointless since the majority of the photographers including pro photographers who work for magazines and weddings will rarely use and print those type of images taken at that ISO level. I certainly would not shoot that high ISO since you loose DR as you increase your ISO level. So, trying to justify or defend a sensor at that level, to me is pointless since they all suck and they are not being widely used in real world application. </p><p></p><p>The better example in sensor evolution/manufacturing is the lead that Sony have produced with their A7 and A7r as far as mirror less is concern that is "full frame". Nikon, Canon, Fujifilm, Sigma, and Panasonic have not. </p><p></p><p>Nikon on the other hand was the first one to produce the 36 mp camera and has the highest rated sensor when it comes to high ISO capability. With that said, your statement quote: "<span style="color: #000000">The point is, it seems that Nikon and Canon are very reluctant to make a MAJOR step up in hardware - radical change of the sensor(s)." end quote, does not make sense to me. What exactly do you mean by radical change? Are you trying to imply that Nikon does not have a camera sensor that meets your expectation or that can meet your intended purpose?</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">I must ask myself then if I should even go further with this discussion since even "if" Nikon or other companies produce your ideal sensor, what is the likelyhood of you buying it at a higher price? If the answer is not likely, then, I revert back to my original statement of "this debate is pointless". Why? Too many "measurebators" around the internet spend too much time wishing and bitching that Nikon for example, releases a 70-200mm f4 VR zoom lens. When Nikon did released one, the typical respond is, it is too expensive. I'm not implying that you are one of them, but it is common on some of the forums that I visit.</span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gqtuazon, post: 231273, member: 6573"] Roger. I'll fire away then. ;) DraganDL: Just like Marcel have pointed out, we have thick skin as moderators. It is not about me that I am trying to avoid these type of measurebating. Some of the frequent forum members are uncomfortable when this type of discussions are happening which is what I am trying to avoid. I think the bottomline here is a miscommunication. You just need to be careful on how you type your statements since "perception" could change or be translated to different meaning or conclusion which is why I mentioned previously that you lack the confidence, ability or possibly gear envy once you started comparing sensors and your experience with other forums. That's probably not your intention but that's how it is being perceived by me. I understand that this is a "wishful request" thread and my original remark made me curious on why would someone like you feel being looked down by other photography forums. Granted, Dpreview is one of those forums where gloves are always off and if you frequent that forum, you will see plenty of that type of discussion. [COLOR=#333333] [/COLOR] "I" viewed your given examples when comparing extreme ISO images such as 25,600 or ISO 12,800 to be pointless since the majority of the photographers including pro photographers who work for magazines and weddings will rarely use and print those type of images taken at that ISO level. I certainly would not shoot that high ISO since you loose DR as you increase your ISO level. So, trying to justify or defend a sensor at that level, to me is pointless since they all suck and they are not being widely used in real world application. The better example in sensor evolution/manufacturing is the lead that Sony have produced with their A7 and A7r as far as mirror less is concern that is "full frame". Nikon, Canon, Fujifilm, Sigma, and Panasonic have not. Nikon on the other hand was the first one to produce the 36 mp camera and has the highest rated sensor when it comes to high ISO capability. With that said, your statement quote: "[COLOR=#000000]The point is, it seems that Nikon and Canon are very reluctant to make a MAJOR step up in hardware - radical change of the sensor(s)." end quote, does not make sense to me. What exactly do you mean by radical change? Are you trying to imply that Nikon does not have a camera sensor that meets your expectation or that can meet your intended purpose? I must ask myself then if I should even go further with this discussion since even "if" Nikon or other companies produce your ideal sensor, what is the likelyhood of you buying it at a higher price? If the answer is not likely, then, I revert back to my original statement of "this debate is pointless". Why? Too many "measurebators" around the internet spend too much time wishing and bitching that Nikon for example, releases a 70-200mm f4 VR zoom lens. When Nikon did released one, the typical respond is, it is too expensive. I'm not implying that you are one of them, but it is common on some of the forums that I visit.[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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