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Marcel

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I'd be ready to bet this is an eyelash or some kind of fiber on the sensor. If it would be a crack, I don't see how it could be so evenly curved and constant. And a crack on the sensor's filter would be a lot sharper than that.

Just open up your user manual and see how to check and clean your sensor. It's not rocket science.
 

sonicbuffalo_RIP

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I would get a sensor loupe, and set the camera for cleaning, and see what you see with the mirror up, and with the loupe. A simple magnification of 5x might expose the culprit.
 

hark

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@Horoscope Fish recommended this loupe for me, and after getting one and using it, I will say it is incredible. It isn't expensive compared to many other photography loupes, and the lights REALLY illuminate the sensor. If you'd try using a loupe, it might help you to determine if the 'thing' is on the surface of the sensor or located somewhere else inside the camera's body. And the loupe will aid you in any future sensor cleanings or inspections. It's a good price at $20.23 providing you are located in the US.

Amazon.com: Carson SensorMag LED Lighted Cleaning Loupe for Camera Sensor, 4.5x30mm, Black (SM-44): Sports & Outdoors
 

hark

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One more thing--just because you had your sensor cleaned doesn't necessarily mean everything was removed. Some of my photos had a spot that showed up, and after using the sensor loupe, I was able to identify exactly where it was located. I did the first wet cleaning and looked inside using the loupe. Apparently the spot was sticky. It took a few more swipes of wet cleaning (and a little light scrubbing) because the spot was so sticky the cleaning moved it to a different location on the sensor. With a little patience, I was able to completely remove it. The loupe really helped.

In the past I had problems with my D600's sensor spots. Nikon replaced the shutter and subsequently scratched the sensor. There were spots that showed up which could not be removed making me wonder if they were on the back side of the low pass filter. Have you ever had your camera serviced (not counting the sensor cleaning you already mentioned)? Or did you buy it used?
 

WayneF

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It does look like a hair, and it is on the digital sensor, not on the lens. Your f/stop data (except first value) reinforces that it is on the sensor. The difference seen is not about depth of field, but instead about that f/25 is a tiny pinpoint light source, and f/5.6 is a wide light source, which is illuminating the hair on the focal plane. A wide light makes a wide shadow, which makes it appear more vague. Dust and stuff is best seen at larger f/stop numbers.

Use the CLEANING menu in the camera, which will open the shutter and allow you to see the sensor, D7000 manual, page 284. Then use like a Rocket blower to blow the hair and dust off.
 

Eyelight

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Dumb Question Alert (meaning I have a dumb question).

Considering the size of a human hair, seems like it would show at any ISO setting on a 16MP sensor. Since it is barely visible in Photo #1, does that tell us anything about size?

I ask because I've never had a 16MP camera and so have never noticed, located and removed a hair.
 
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GPSF

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Quick update, I took these two photos of the sky this morning focusing as close to the camera as possible to get a good image of the dust on the sensor.

Left = ISO 200 125mm f/36 1/20sec
Right = ISO 25600 80mm f/36 1/8000sec

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As you can see, it's very faint and diffuse at ISO 200 (so faint you might not be able to see it in this image) and then very sharp at ISO 25600 even though the aperture remained the same in both photos.
 

WayneF

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Quick update, I took these two photos of the sky this morning focusing as close to the camera as possible to get a good image of the dust on the sensor.

Left = ISO 200 125mm f/36 1/20sec
Right = ISO 25600 80mm f/36 1/8000sec

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As you can see, it's very faint and diffuse at ISO 200 (so faint you might not be able to see it in this image) and then very sharp at ISO 25600 even though the aperture remained the same in both photos.


I don't know. ISO ought not to affect obstructions, however the two exposures are not nearly the same. Perhaps if they were more nearly the same, it would look more the same?

But there is little advantage in trying to reason it out. It needs not to do that. It needs cleaning (esp the sensor too) with a Rocket blower brush. It just squirts air in there, but safe air, not excessive pressure, and no liquid propellents. Then after than, if still present, then worry more about it. :)
 
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Bob Blaylock

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Quick update, I took these two photos of the sky this morning focusing as close to the camera as possible to get a good image of the dust on the sensor.

Left = ISO 200 125mm f/36 1/20sec
Right = ISO 25600 80mm f/36 1/8000sec

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As you can see, it's very faint and diffuse at ISO 200 (so faint you might not be able to see it in this image) and then very sharp at ISO 25600 even though the aperture remained the same in both photos.

I see that you also changed the focal length between the two pictures. You made at least two changes, and are attributing the change in visibility of the defect to one of these changes.

It seems to me much more likely that changing the focal length would affect this than changing the sensor ISO. The ISO setting doesn't affect the optics, after all.

Try going back to ISO 200, with the lens zoomed back to 80mm, and the aperture at ƒ36. I bet the defect will show up just as it does in the ISO 25600 picture here.

Of course, this whole exercise, at this point, really isn't important. What matters is that we know there is something in your camera that isn't supposed to be there. I'd have to say that it was almost certainly a bit of hair or fiber stuck to the front of your OLPF, but you report that you had your sensor (actually, it would be the OLPF) professionally cleaned a month ago, and also that you can find this same defect in pictures taken well before as well as well after this cleaning. It seems very unlikely to me that anything even vaguely resembling a competent attempt at sensor-cleaning would fail to remove such a hair or fiber.

It's also been suggested that perhaps the contamination is between the OLPF and the sensor, but it's also been adequately explained in this thread why this is extremely unlikely. And it's difficult to imagine how a scratch or crack could have come to be there, unless by a very clumsy and incompetent attempt at cleaning the OLPF, or by a defect that was there from the factory.

I think I am left thinking that the most likely explanation, albeit not one that in itself seems terribly likely, is that the “professional” who allegedly did the sensor cleaning did such an unbelievably-poor job of it that a piece of hair or fiber that was there before the cleaning, and ought to have very easily been removed, remained there afterward.

My recommendation, to begin with, is that you need this:



Don't settle for any lesser brand or model. The large-size Giottos Rocket Air Blaster. It has a special valve to keep it from sucking in dust and blowing it back out on to whatever you're trying to clean. With your lens off, and your mirror “locked up for cleaning”(which also opens the shutter, exposing the OLPF), hold the camera face-down, and use this blower to blow air forcefully against the OLPF. This will dislodge most dust, and it would very likely dislodge the piece of hair or fiber that would likely be causing the defect you're seeing in your pictures.

If that doesn't get it, then the next thing I recommend is this brush.



It's the same basic concept as the “Arctic Butterfly” of which you may have heard, but this is simpler, and much less expensive, and works at least as well. You “charge” it by blowing air through it with your Rocket Blaster; this does two things. It blows off any dirt or dust that may currently be on the brush, and it creates an electrostatic charge that causes the brush to attract dust that it encounters on your OLPF.

Normally, I'd say that if you still have contamination problems after using this brush, then it's time for a wet cleaning; but in your case, if what is causing your issue doesn't come off from using this brush, then it's time to start seriously considering the possibility that either it's between the OLPF and the sensor, or else it's a scratch/crack; either of which would put it well beyond a DIY remedy.
 
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aroy

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It may be slight mark left while cleaning the sensor. The reason it shows up clearly at high ISO, may be that the mark is very light and shows up when the signal is boosted up a lot at high ISO.

To check this, just keep the aperture (say F22) and exposure same, then shoot the sky at various ISO, starting from 1600 going all the way to the highest. The mark should keep getting more visible as you increase the ISO. If that is so, then use a loupe to inspect the sensor surface. If you have one with light it would help. Note that the mark is very light so it may only be visible under bright light and that too at an oblique angle.
 

GPSF

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Just to provide some closure, I went to a local camera shop that actually had a Nikon representative working there and I had him, as well as someone from the shop, take a look at my camera. They tried cleaning it out with a rocket blower, they looked closely at the camera/sensor, and we took a few photos with some of their lenses and the line was still there and hadn't moved at all. So, they both suspect it's an issue with the low pass filter and it was unlikely to have been caused by the cleaning a few months ago because the line is in photos taken before the cleaning. All that being said, until I send it into Nikon to take a closer look, we won't know with complete certainty what's going on here. Hoping to be able to do this at some point in the coming months, so I'll update one last time once I have more info. Thanks again everyone who contributed to this thread, I really appreciate all your help with this!
 
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