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<blockquote data-quote="Revet" data-source="post: 266651" data-attributes="member: 17612">Thanks fotojack.&nbsp; I think I found one of the problems, self-portraits!!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; I import all my RAW photos into Lightroom and when I looked at these I thought they all were horrible photos of myself (as I think with pretty much every photo of myself); thus I did everything I could in Lightroom to make it look better.&nbsp; Unfortunately in this case, I dropped the exposure a full stop (maybe more).&nbsp; Anyhow, lets work with what you said and I will get one shot I think is good and re-post it to see if I got the lighting better.Most of the stuff I read said to use the umbrella about 30 to 45 degrees off the camera-subject axis and keep it high and close to the subject (about 3 feet when using it as relective).&nbsp; What the heck is 3 feet??&nbsp; I assume they mean from the apex of the umbrella?? How high??&nbsp; What Angle??&nbsp; Yes yes, I am a detail person and want it all to the mm and the degree.&nbsp; Anyhow, I am looking for a good starting point in which I can adjust for the subject as I get better.&nbsp;You really have me confused on the butterfly technique.&nbsp; I had the flash as high as I could get it with an 8 foot ceiling using an umbrella.&nbsp; It was pretty much right above the camera.&nbsp; I still didn't see much of a shadow below the nose so I don't see how lowering the light would do me any better.&nbsp; BTW, budget is not a problem, I just want to get proficient with the equipment I have before I add things.ps.&nbsp; I won't tell my daughter you thought she was my wife,&nbsp; She would find that really weird!!!!&nbsp; lol</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Revet, post: 266651, member: 17612"] Thanks fotojack. I think I found one of the problems, self-portraits!!!! I import all my RAW photos into Lightroom and when I looked at these I thought they all were horrible photos of myself (as I think with pretty much every photo of myself); thus I did everything I could in Lightroom to make it look better. Unfortunately in this case, I dropped the exposure a full stop (maybe more). Anyhow, lets work with what you said and I will get one shot I think is good and re-post it to see if I got the lighting better. Most of the stuff I read said to use the umbrella about 30 to 45 degrees off the camera-subject axis and keep it high and close to the subject (about 3 feet when using it as relective). What the heck is 3 feet?? I assume they mean from the apex of the umbrella?? How high?? What Angle?? Yes yes, I am a detail person and want it all to the mm and the degree. Anyhow, I am looking for a good starting point in which I can adjust for the subject as I get better. You really have me confused on the butterfly technique. I had the flash as high as I could get it with an 8 foot ceiling using an umbrella. It was pretty much right above the camera. I still didn't see much of a shadow below the nose so I don't see how lowering the light would do me any better. BTW, budget is not a problem, I just want to get proficient with the equipment I have before I add things. ps. I won't tell my daughter you thought she was my wife, She would find that really weird!!!! lol [/QUOTE]

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