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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BackdoorArts" data-source="post: 700314" data-attributes="member: 9240"><p>The thing about the females is that they have a stark, large sparrow look from the front, and from the side and back they're closer to a starling. We really didn't notice them until about 6 or 7 years ago and even now they'll pop in the yard and it'll fool us temporarily. Same thing with female Rose-breasted Grosbeaks, which have always migrated through but in the last couple years have nested. Then when the babies come they mess with us more because the juveniles are somewhere in between and slowly change. Two days ago we had a first year male that still had largely juvenile plumage, but was morphed in a way that we'd never seen before. It took 5 minutes before we figured out what it was.</p></blockquote><p></p>