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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dawg Pics" data-source="post: 655351" data-attributes="member: 26505">I don't think they are unfair.  I just have very limited bird knowledge, but you giving some hints is helping me learn.  For example, you just used the word "down."  I am like, that bird looks kinda "fuzzy."   Also, saying that there is no "down" in that species gave me something new to consider, nomenclature wise, that I wouldn't have used to look for a bird.  I know birds have down, but I never considered it in idnetification until now.I hate being a well educated ignoramus, but that is my lot in life. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>