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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mikew_RIP" data-source="post: 173133" data-attributes="member: 14174">Thanks every one taking a balance of the answers it sounds like it will do the job i want,a longer macro would be nice but the one i have is underused and with having one i thought a decent range zoom may be more use.Ron it sounds like you struggle more than i do,it doesn't show in your work,yours is one of the threads i look forward to seeing a new post announcement for,with me its a case of when i get down one one knee to take the picture its quiet difficult to edge a bit further forward so i tend to lean forward which makes me unstable.I really dont want to go back to a tripod so my thoughts where the VR in combination with up to 400 iso and a bulkier camera to hold may do it.mike</blockquote>