Are telephoto shots scintillation limited?

Felisek

Senior Member
Have a look at this small crop of a telephoto picture:

p1.jpg


Doesn't look very pretty, does it? I can assure you, this is not a lens problem, this is not front or back focusing. It's the air. Have a look at another crop from the same shot:

p2.jpg


You can clearly see the distortion at the uprights in the barriers. This is called scintillation and it is due to rapid small-scale changes in air density between the camera and the subject. This is simply hot air going up. The picture was taken from about 500 m on a hot day.

I started noticing this effect when I tried to test my new Sigma 150-600 at infinity. I put it on a tripod and focused on a distant target. Then, I noticed that the image in the viewfinder (or even more in live view, when you zoom in) is twinkling and shimmering. Any picture taken in such conditions, regardless of the shutter speed, would be blurred, as above.

I wonder how much air scintillation affects typical wildlife photography. I guess it doesn't matter that much at shorter distances, let's say 50 m. There is not enough air between the camera and the animal to make a significant distortion. But at longer distances on a hot day? It might contribute a lot to a softness of the resulting image. So, some of the telephoto pictures we take can be limited not by the lens or sensor, but... by the weather.
 

mikew_RIP

Senior Member
The ideal use for a long lens is a small closer subject made bigger,apart from scintillation you have all the dust ect in the atmosphere which all help to degrade an image.
 

J-see

Senior Member
I was watching a video about the effects of heat waves:

https://fstoppers.com/education/warning-long-lens-shooters-heat-wave-distortion-40508


Now I'm wondering if those rare occasions I had inconsistent focus with the Tamron weren't related to this issue. I remember it being a cold day when I suffered them last and some of the shots were crows on a roof. If the roof was heated from the inside and much warmer than the outside air, it could explain why focus had such a hard time getting it right.
 

Blade Canyon

Senior Member
Snipers can see those waves through their scopes, and a sidewind will cause those waves to move left or right. The snipers adjust their aim accordingly.
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
Living in Southern California I deal with this on occasion since deserts and beaches are both great sources of what I know as heat-wave diffraction (I've never heard it called "scintillation" before). It can be frustrating but I've just come to think of it as One of Those Things that plague us as photographers.

The best solution I've found is simply avoiding it by shooting during the cooler parts of the day. If that's just not possible you can try to get closer to minimize the effect but if THAT'S not possible, well... At that point you're pretty much screwed.
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Whiskeyman

Senior Member
Yep. You can have the best equipment made, but the laws of physics will still win out. :)

Yeah! Like "Gravity: It's not just a good idea; It's the law!!!"

Back to the OP's question, though. I wouldn't say that the telephoto lens is limited, but that your subject is.

WM
 

canuck257

Senior Member
Snipers can see those waves through their scopes, and a sidewind will cause those waves to move left or right. The snipers adjust their aim accordingly.

As a retired sniper and practicing long range target shooter I am very familiar with this phenomenon which we shooters call mirage. It can be useful in indicating the direction and degree of "drift" cause by wind though it disperses when the wind exceeds 8 mph. The only way to deal with it sometimes is to reduce the magnification of your scope.
 

Felisek

Senior Member
Another example, this time from a much shorter distance of about 30 m. The sun just came out and I was happy with lower ISO in my shots.

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My happiness faded when I zoomed in. The grass looks like a mirage:

crop1.jpg


The background is probably slightly out of focus (as it should be), but this is no normal bokeh:

crop2.jpg
 

mikew_RIP

Senior Member
Another example, this time from a much shorter distance of about 30 m. The sun just came out and I was happy with lower ISO in my shots.

View attachment 172850

My happiness faded when I zoomed in. The grass looks like a mirage:

View attachment 172851

The background is probably slightly out of focus (as it should be), but this is no normal bokeh:

View attachment 172852
Camera
NIKON D7100

Focal Length
240mm

Aperture
f/8

Exposure
1/1600s

ISO
720


Thats easy to solve,dont zoom in :D
 

J-see

Senior Member
Is that artificial grass? For this shimmering to occur, the surface needs to be hotter than the air which usually doesn't happen with normal grass.
 
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