To D7100 or not D7100

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Whiskeyman

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One really can't beat face-to-face debate, can one?


Maybe not on the forum. But have you ever been to a debate where a good physical altercation occurs? If you have, were most people listening to the debate or watching the fight. In the paraphrased words of G. Gordon Liddy: A good fisticuffs will outshine a discussion every time.

Just get the 7100 when you can. If you need a bigger image, learn to work fast and use stitching software to merge overlapped images.

WM
 

BackdoorArts

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I've come to this conclusión, not because I've PM you asking for help with something that should be trivial for you like how to sabe and reuse a watermark layer (which you so elegantly refused to do!!! Thank you again and I am sorry I would take some of your time...), but because some of the answers to some questions about "mistakes", or better put, wrong choices in exposure at the time the capture is done, is pretty much always: "Don't worry, you can fix it later"... I admit I've started to use a PP software, but, so far, I haven't done more than deciding on the color to use, and even then I've been happy with the preset installed on an oldes version of Elements. So; I still think that is always better to get it right on camera, that's all... I'm sorry if some people feel ofended with this remark, but that's what it seems like, to me. P.S. Sorry for all the editing, but I'm typing on a spanish "speaking" laptop and it keeps trying to change the english for spanish words, as you can see in the begining of this post... Hey, even the Elements came in spanish and I haven't spoken the language in 3 years (that's also why I asked for help...)


Look, when I receive a 3rd unsolicited PM saying, "OK, I'm here and I don't know how do this...", I wonder who, if anyone, here isn't going to start letting you know that they're not your personal tutor and maybe you should start poking around this forum and elsewhere and start learning things on your own before you get stuck. There's being nice to someone learning, and then there's enabling behavior, and by message #3 I saw a pattern I needed to put a stop to. And I did point you to resources that would help.

As for my replies, I suspect you're looking solely at my responses to people who ask what they can do differently on an image they've posted, or are looking for a critique. I promise you, the first time post asking the same I won't even mention post processing but will instead say, "Go back in time and space and reshoot it with this lens and with these settings", particularly when it's a landscape involving dense cloud formations, or a kid playing in the yard with an amazing smile, or some other fleeting moment captured. Tell me this, what other advice can I give when the shot has been taken and they ask about it? I can assure you my advice has never been, "Don't worry, you can fix it later", but rather something more akin to, "OK, since this is what you have, and this is what you've done, this is what I'd do differently/additionally to fix it". Take a hard look at my posts and I dare you to find me advocating sloppy/lazy photography. You will find that I strongly advocate knowing your post processing tools because they are critical tools in the creative process, particularly in certain types of photography, but never at the expense of knowing how to take a good photo.

Folks, I'm sorry for derailing this thread, but I spend a lot of time and effort here trying to pass on a little of what I've learned, both from this forum and elsewhere. So when I get called one-dimensional, and someone who should be ignored, forgive me for getting a little pissed off - particularly when it's by someone who has sent me more than a few unsolicited requests for help with specific post processing problems they are stuck in the middle of with their copy of Elements (and who also got prompt answers and/or recommendations for places to follow up). English as a second language or not, it's ignorance personified.
 
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Flugelbinder

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1st PM -
BackdoorHippie said:
Flugelbinder said:
Thank you again. You were the person I was expecting the opinion.

Glad to be of help
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BackdoorHippie said:
Flugelbinder said:
Good morning. I need some help... I have an earlier version of Elements (8). Untill now (I guess because I never tried to open a RAW file?), it had never opened this window - the "real" one that I saw in the tutorials. Needless to say that I'm amazed with the image right from the start, but I don't know what to do after... How should I finish? Where do I place the finished version and how? I want to keep the RAW file (I'm sure it does). One more thing, should I get an "internet version" of that file, or post the RAW file after resizing?

Technically, you cannot edit a RAW file. Adobe Camera RAW (ACR) will create a sidecar file that goes with the RAW image that stores the adjustments you made (Lightroom has the option of creating the sidecar file or storing the adjustments in the catalog). After leaving ACR you get what is essentially a TIFF file stored in temp space to work on in Elements (same with Photoshop). Whatever adjustments you make here will be permanent, which is why using layers is nice because you can remove them (find a good editing tutorial). Once you're done with any additional edits you will have to save the file before exiting or lose those edits (any changes you made in ACR will automatically be reapplied when you open that RAW file provided you do not move it or delete the sidecar). How you choose them depends on whether or not you want to preserve layers (I recommend saving as a .PSD file) or not (you can save as a JPG).

Saving as an Internet Version is just a strange way of allowing you to create a size specific version of your photo for uploading to the internet. You can use this to create jpegs from your main file, but I would not use it to store files.

I would heartily recommend you hunt down a copy of Scott Kelby & Matt Klozowski's "Photoshop Elements for Digital Photographers" book. They have one for every version of Elements, so having one for 8 would help you a lot. Used copies are as low as $0.01 + shipping on Amazon. It's a great book to learn the basics of Elements.
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BackdoorHippie said:
Flugelbinder said:
Hello again... I made a layer with a watermark (took me 2 hours... hehehe) and now, I don't really know how to sabe it, or how to reuse it (apply on my photos). Can you help me?

Look, I'd love to, but I'm just a guy with a job who loves photography and needs to kill time during conference calls. There are tutorials galore for this stuff all over the place as well as threads on the forum. Do some digging and figure things out, it's how we learn. I'm happy to answer questions at my leisure, but I can't spoon feed. No offense intended, but there are better and smarter folks out there who I've learned from. Find them and absorb.
Yep, I was a PITA... And you were extremely helpfull... Thank you again... Now you look. I never pointed at you, or anyone else. I just said it's the general answer here. Take Nook's 365. I was the only one to point out that, next time, he should consider different settings instead of relying on camera presets, hope for the best and PP after... Isn'r this being a better photographer? Or maybe it isn't and we should only think about pp... Go back in space and time??? Please...
 

Flugelbinder

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One more thing, I actually speak, write and read three languages fluently and english is the third... And I'm learning italian at the moment... Que bien, no lo crees?
 

Steve B

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One more thing, I actually speak, write and read three languages fluently and english is the third... And I'm learning italian at the moment... Que bien, no lo crees?
If you can learn multiple languages than you can pick up some books or spend some time researching your questions on the Internet. You can't expect people on a forum to answer every question you have. The questions you were asking can easily be answered with a few minutes research on the Internet.
 

RockyNH_RIP

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Oh, I thought this was the purpose... My mistake...


It is, within reason... but the first approach "should" be to attempt to answer it yourself... If you have a basic function question on your camera, you at least check your manual first... Those who do spend their time helping here (and there are many!) do get tired of 300 questions about stuff that is easy to research, it does take time away from their hobby too... (NOT referring to you in any way please) Same with you tube... many videos to help...

I will see an effect in a photo and ask "I like XXX, what did you do to get that effect" Someone will reply with something about layers in PS and using Guassian Blur.. I do NOT then ask (nor expect them to talk me through step by step)... I then then go study layers and blur modes and learn how to do them.

People appreciate an effort on our part and are more willing to help... more so than someone who just keeps asking all the basics without doing any research.

Pat in NH

(agree with Steve, off topic and out of crontrol!) :)
 

ShootRaw

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@ Rick...Im pretty sure when they decide to upgrade the D610, it will have AA Filter removed and hopefully adopt the D7100's Focusing system..That will be when I will upgrade to FX...
 

jdeg

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.... annnnddd it's closed
 
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