Difference of Opinion - Many clicks vs. Few clicks

Lee532

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I think I use both techniques at times. When I am shooting at the model aircraft club I tend to use continuous shutter release to capture shots of a small, fast moving, manoeuvring subject. After a full day at the club I can come home with up to 1,000 shots that I have to wade through to get the best ones out of.
When shooting landscape or portrait, for example, you have the time to set up the shot you want and not rely on spray and pray.
 

BackdoorArts

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I am going to answer this question setting limits around the amount of control one can have of any situation - so this would apply to situations where you are shooting wild life, sports, and news events or street situations where you have no real control over your subject, just some level of control over your relationship to the subject. (If you can control the room then one shot should be enough)

Off the top, I need to say that there is (can be) a huge difference between "spraying and praying" and firing off a 3 second volley at 6 fps, though it's not always apparent to anyone but the photographer. To know the difference you have to pay attention to everything they did in the minutes/hours before the shutter was pressed. I shoot a lot of wild life, and birds primarily. When I get to a new location that I've never shot at before, I do my best to assess 1) where the birds will be coming from, 2) where they might be landing (if anywhere), and 3) where the sun is, and then do my best to stick myself as close as I can to somewhere between locations 1 & 2 and location 3. After that, it's prep time, setting the camera the way I want it (mode, ISO, (min) shutter speed, focus and metering mode), having the right lens on, deciding if a monopod is appropriate, and waiting. For birds in flight, it's scanning the potential flight path, camera in hand, and firing a volley when something finally shows. Yes, spraying and praying - but with the prep work I've stacked the deck and am more likely to get an answered prayer, because I'm getting a bird that's flying towards me, in good light, and that might possibly land with wings fully extended and feathers displayed, captured at a shutter speed that won't blur them.

Now, when the subject is a little more stationary, there will be fewer volleys, but the prep work remains the same. Knowing where to be is again just as critical. This is where knowing your subject comes into play. In a concert setting, knowing how and when one musician reacts to another will allow you to grab the great "guitar face" photo, or that smile on a lean in, instead of just a shot of a couple blokes with guitars. In a news setting, knowing that a real long lens from that empty corner over there will allow you get the shot of the politician getting out of the car rather candidly before they approach the mob of photographers positioned near the building entrance. For animals perched in a tree, knowing the slight movements that signal a stretch of their wings or a jump from a branch will aid you in getting the moment of jumping and not just something falling thru the air. But in every case, you're damn straight I'm in continuous mode and will squeeze out more than one shot.

For me, this type of study has come at the cost of a lot of wasted shutter clicks and wondering why I keep only 3% of shots from 2 hours walking around a reservoir. Truth is, a lot of the waste is knowing when not to bother raising the camera because you've already missed it, so just watch and file the moment away so you don't miss it next time.
 

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Question for you, Jack. How does focusing using that method's AF differ from switching the lens to manual focus and pre-focusing on a select spot?

And a question in general for everyone. @BackdoorHippie mentioned using continuous mode. How many of you use continuous mode and possibly 3-D tracking if it is available on your camera? If you don't use continuous mode, what do you use?

This is a very interesting discussion, MoabLady! :)
 

BackdoorArts

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And a question in general for everyone. @BackdoorHippie mentioned using continuous mode. How many of you use continuous mode and possibly 3-D tracking if it is available on your camera? If you don't use continuous mode, what do you use?

Just to be clear, this is in reference to shutter release and not focus. AF mode will depend on the subject. Birds in flight will get Continuous 3D mode. For almost everything else I find myself using Single Point (AF-S). I developed the habit in my P&S days when I was tired of it focusing on the wrong things, so I focused first and then adjusted the framing. I've still not broken myself of the habit
 

southwestsam

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Thanks guys... you just ruined my sex life. At the cost of your integrity, and I as a husband in my natural role of being wrong, should have agreed with the misses for my sake. :(

LOL!


IMO... your camera is the equivalent of an SAS officer / Navy SEAL's Assault Rifle.

They aim at what they want to shoot and fire in short bursts to make sure they hit their target.

Therefore, you are both right and the marital status quo has been restored. You can remove yourself from the doghouse, and resume copulation at will!
 

Brian

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I get a sense of accomplishment when looking at a photo that is what was envisioned to be at the moment of tripping the shutter. Even when using Motor Drives on the F2, used in in single-mode so it would be ready for a next shot when I was. You do something one way for decades, hard to change. Few shots may be perfect, but I made the choice on what was recorded, not the cycling time and buffer readout rate.

Of course MANY years ago- worked on high-speed data acquisition systems for digital imaging systems so that others could spray and pray...paid the mortgage.
 

weebee

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I do both. If the subject is in motion I just snap and swear for the best. I always try to set up as best as I can though.
 

Just-Clayton

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I went to the sights that jack listed. I set my camera up and tried it on a ceiling fan. Pretty interesting. I banked the settings so as not to forget in my 300.
 

Krs_2007

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Exactly what Sparky says, it really doesn't matter unless you spray and pray every time you go out. There is a time and place for this approach as well as planning out your shot and taking your time to get it right. I use both methods and the circumstances dictate the method. My 2 cents for what its worth.
 

Whiskeyman

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This whole thread reminds me of an old technique that some film pros used to use when covering professional football. Quite often, they would rig a camera with a wide-angle lens pre-focused at a preferred distance. They often covered the game with another camera, fitted with a telephoto lens for action further away. If the action got real close, real fast, as they were frantically trying to get their telephoto gear out of the way, they's reach down and fire a rapid succession of shots with the wide angle setup. A lot of great shots were taken this way, which is a combination of both techniques.

If it works, it works. And with digital, it's a whole lot less expensive to do this than with film.

WM
 

nikonpup

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just way to many shots out there to wait on a perfect 1/1000 of a second. I do not have the "eye" for the perfect shot and so far i have not been able to reverse time for a do over. High fps and sort it out in post, love digital.
 

DraganDL

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The answer is highly dependent on a situation. Is it sports, or overcrowded street, fashion show...quiet sunset over the plains...raindrops flowing down the window pane... Take this photo of the wolf (miraculous) for example: it is the one in many (in the series), a nice photo, but could have been even better, if you had waited for the more convenient moment, to avoid the head and the lower part of the wolf's nose being too "absorbed" by the background, and take just one single shot... But, of course, if you really did not have enough time (or it seemed to you so), burst shooting was the most appropriate way to do the job.
 
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BackdoorArts

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Was reading this today and think that much of what is said is applicable to this thread. Love that he shows the sequence of photos from which he got "the money shot". His comments about the "unlimited buffer size" have me really lusting for the D4, and likely the D4s by the time I'm ready. Maybe 2015.

Raptor Photography Tips
 

Alan

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To spray or not to spray, that is the question!

My only question, why do you take pictures? The answer for me is simple, I enjoy it and it relaxes me. Most of my stuff is nature photography and I enjoy being out in the country. I sometime sit and think and sometimes spray and pray. I believe that photography becomes a habit. For example I know how a lot of birds behave and can anticipate what they might do. Sometimes I can set up, sometimes I need to spray. Either way if I get the shot I am happy.

My point is simple. No one pays me and therefore no one expects perfect results from me (except maybe I do). I am always trying to improve on what I do but I am not sweating the little stuff. The "money shot" you finally get replaces all the bad stuff you took over the last few weeks. Besides I am sure that the delete key was invented for the spray and pray crowd.

So get out there and shot and have fun. Stage it, spray it, either way "nobody gets hurt!" (except maybe me, glad your husband is on the other side of the country):cool:
 

Moab Man

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This has been a fun read. The original "controversy" between my wife and I is more out of fun. When we went to the zoo I shot 139 shots to her 400. I told her she would have to take a week off just to get her through her photos.

The upside is she really enjoys herself. However, the REAL controversy in the house is her putting butterscotch chips in CHOCOLATE chip cookies. That is an unforgivable sin!
 

mikew_RIP

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This has been a fun read. The original "controversy" between my wife and I is more out of fun. When we went to the zoo I shot 139 shots to her 400. I told her she would have to take a week off just to get her through her photos.

The upside is she really enjoys herself. However, the REAL controversy in the house is her putting butterscotch chips in CHOCOLATE chip cookies. That is an unforgivable sin!

I always try to change the subject when ime losing :D
 

GeoWes

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If there is a lot of action, I'll fire off about 5 or 10. When the view is constantly changing the best shot might be the third or 4th frame. If I'm shooting with stationary or posing subjects, then I'll shoot one at a time and check what I get. That's the biggest change for me since moving to digital. No film costs and just time invested in sorting through them.
 

Alan

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This has been a fun read. The original "controversy" between my wife and I is more out of fun. When we went to the zoo I shot 139 shots to her 400. I told her she would have to take a week off just to get her through her photos.

The upside is she really enjoys herself. However, the REAL controversy in the house is her putting butterscotch chips in CHOCOLATE chip cookies. That is an unforgivable sin!

OMG not the Butterscotch vs Chocolate controversy!!!! I suggest you compromise and add both, double the pleasure and everyone get something they want. Now toilet paper roll...over or under?
 
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Krs_2007

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To spray or not to spray, that is the question!

My only question, why do you take pictures? The answer for me is simple, I enjoy it and it relaxes me. Most of my stuff is nature photography and I enjoy being out in the country. I sometime sit and think and sometimes spray and pray. I believe that photography becomes a habit. For example I know how a lot of birds behave and can anticipate what they might do. Sometimes I can set up, sometimes I need to spray. Either way if I get the shot I am happy.

My point is simple. No one pays me and therefore no one expects perfect results from me (except maybe I do). I am always trying to improve on what I do but I am not sweating the little stuff. The "money shot" you finally get replaces all the bad stuff you took over the last few weeks. Besides I am sure that the delete key was invented for the spray and pray crowd.

So get out there and shot and have fun. Stage it, spray it, either way "nobody gets hurt!" (except maybe me, glad your husband is on the other side of the country):cool:

Well said Alan
 
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