Indoor vs. Outdoor Flash Photography with an SB-700

Revet

Senior Member
My next project is photographing some of the birds that visit my feeder. It is pretty cold outside here in Cleveland so I want to try to get things as close as possible.

What I have taken out of my reading on this site is that Indoors I want to use TTL (spot metering) on the SB-700 (Nikon D3100 body) and outdoors use matrix or center-weighted which changes things over to TTL-BAL. In doing this, the flash is power is reduced some to give a nice fill light to your ambient.

With fast moving birds, I think it is best to eliminate the ambient and use flash to freeze the motion. Doesn't this turn the shot into an "Indoor shot" which I would be better using spot metering and TTL (not TTL-BAL)??
 

gqtuazon

Gear Head
You are probably better off placing your camera on a tripod and use a remote control so that you can stay warmer inside your house.

BTW, just stick with matrix metering. Use ISO 800 indoors and see the difference it makes compared to ISO 400. Just my two cents.

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WayneF

Senior Member
With fast moving birds, I think it is best to eliminate the ambient and use flash to freeze the motion. Doesn't this turn the shot into an "Indoor shot" which I would be better using spot metering and TTL (not TTL-BAL)??


The TTL BL vs TTL would be an exposure issue - TTL BL being a reduced fill level (assuming significant ambient is present). Technically, we would think we could achieve the same exposure either way with the necessary flash compensation to bring BL back up (however no bets, sometimes BL automation sort of has a mind of its own).

Motion would be a speed issue, and I think it would be about reducing the ambient a couple of stops (instead of reducing the fill a couple of stops)... reduced ambient so that the ambient blur would be dim, no longer a visible factor. So you would seem to have the opposite goal as fill (and I agree that TTL mode sure couldn't hurt :) ). Reducing ambient does change your picture, the background becomes dark instead of lighted by ambient.

The SB-700 duration is (for example) 1/10000 second at 1/16 power level (manual page H-17). That would be a lot faster than the 1/200 second maximum shutter sync speed. Low power is faster, but the flash will have to be relatively close. Two flashes would be 2x more, or one stop more. And the ambient exposure would be a couple stops even less, at the 1/200 second shutter speed. The 1/200 second shutter is slower and more blur, but only of ambient, which is made dim and not really visible. The flash duration is 1/10000 second, and would appear as the significant illumination.

It would help if the feeder were in the shade, not so much ambient for the flash to overcome (at the lower power level to be fast).

If concerned with the speed, I'd suggest camera Manual mode with 1/200 second maximum shutter sync speed (for maximum attenuation of ambient). And an aperture to put the ambient a couple stops down. if that is bright sun, Sunny 16 probably prohibits much ISO. The flash could be TTL or manual, into that aperture. If you wanted TTL, you could compare test exposures of the feeder to judge TTL vs Manual flash level, i.e., TTL should be the same actual power level as a properly exposed manual flash (only point is, then you'd know what TTL was doing). Manual flash should work too, if the distances don't change (with very slightly less shutter lag due to no TTL preflash). Possibly the birds position could change though, from one side to the other ? That might be a big change, compared to the low power flash position? I'm really not much into birds. :)

Hummingbird wings are the fastest, and it is commonly said to need 1/25000 second to stop them, which is about 1/64 power speedlights. You might read some at hummingbird photography - Google Search for the ideas. I don't know your goal, but if not hummingbirds, I bet 1/16 and 1/10000 second works pretty well.
 
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Revet

Senior Member
I agree. I usually start at 400 but I'm never afraid to push to 800. I can't tell much difference. This will even be less of an issue when I upgrade to the D7100!!!! Lately, I have been stuck on spot metering since I usually have a face in the picture. I used to use only matrix and I got great pictures. If I'm using flash, the SB-700 changes to TTL-BAL if using matrix. When I started Flash photography, I got used to the TTL mode with spot metering so I know what kind of results I will get a little better. Whatever takes good pictures I guess!!
 

Revet

Senior Member
All makes sense to me! It's funny though, last summer before I new anything about photography other than automatic, I tried to photograph some birds with a tripod and wireless shutter release. I set the camera on the fastest shutter speed possible with no flash. The feeder is in the shade and I remember saying to myself I wish it was in a super brightly lit spot so I could use the faster shutter speeds. Now I know better that I need flash to freeze those little rapidly moving guys.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Well, shutters are 1/4000 or 1/8000 second, which is pretty fast. That would be a wide open lens at ISO 100 in bright sun, but higher ISO could stop down some, or shade could help. Or speedlights at low power are even faster, but then you have to reduce bright ambient substantially.

Just as an example of the process: Water drop splashes at 1/64 power work very well (might be overkill). The SB-700 for example has Guide Number 9.5 (feet) at 1/64 power, 24mm FX at ISO 100. Double that for ISO 400, is GN 19. So at f/16, that is 19/16 = 1.19 feet, which works OK for water drops. Or two flashes are double power, one stop, which is 1.4x GN.
 

ShootRaw

Senior Member
I agree. I usually start at 400 but I'm never afraid to push to 800. I can't tell much difference. This will even be less of an issue when I upgrade to the D7100!!!! Lately, I have been stuck on spot metering

Even thou it can be corrected..Since the D7100 is so sharp without the AA filter..You really have to watch your Iso levels..At 800 Iso you really start to notice the noise..Stick with matrix metering..
 
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