D7100 with SB-700 on camera

carguy

Senior Member
Took a few shots of the family Christmas Eve. D7100, 18-105mm w/SB-700 & OEM diffuser on camera. 180 degrees bouncing off about a 9 ft ceiling. Handheld.

Thoughts on the shots and settings. Is ISO 100 fine for a situation like this?

Exposure Time: 0.0166s (1/60)
Aperture: f/5
ISO: 100
Focal Length: 26mm (39mm in 35mm)
Metering: spot
Exposure Program: aperture priority
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Exposure Mode: auto
Light Source: flash
White Balance: manual


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Date Taken: 2013-12-24 22:28:51
Camera: NIKON CORPORATION NIKON D7100
Exposure Time: 0.0166s (1/60)
Aperture: f/5
ISO: 200
Focal Length: 18mm (27mm in 35mm)
Metering: spot
Exposure Program: aperture priority
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Exposure Mode: auto
Light Source: flash
White Balance: manual

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gqtuazon

Gear Head
I think the kids were distracted by too many coaches. They are not looking at the camera and I am assuming that someone else is getting their attention instead of you. Overall. I like it.

Any reason why you were using spot metering instead of matrix?

Normally for indoors, ISO 400 to 800 works in most shooting condition inside our house.


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carguy

Senior Member
Yep. Lots of parents surrounding us lol.

I use spot for Off Camera and just carried it over.

I think I should try manual and a higher stop as well. Kept in AP due to the variable ap glass.



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RockyNH_RIP

Senior Member
Joe, nice 1st attempt... was the 1st (portrait) done with bounce flash or direct?? You may want to tone down the center glare in past.

Keep up the good work!


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WayneF

Senior Member
I think Spot metering is a good choice here. The flash never uses Spot metering, it has its own independent system, so Spot is only about ambient. But Spot does mean that the flash becomes TTL mode instead of TTL BL mode (simply because there is no concept of background ambient to balance if in Spot mode). The distinction is that the Exif reports TTL BL mode for the SB-700, unless Spot Metering, when Exif reports TTL mode. Allowing flash to remain in TTL BL mode can sometimes give a little flash underexposure, even indoors sometimes (but which can always be compensated - flash compensation).

Nothing wrong with ISO 100, obviously generally best, except bounce sometimes needs a little more power. I routinely use ISO 400 f/5 for bounce under a ten foot ceiling, so that the flash operates at lower than full power. Full power can add a red tint sometimes, and recycle is faster too.

Both of these seem slightly dark for my preference. I wondered if at ISO 100, if the flash power was maxed out? (Ready indicator flashing immediately after picture). Certainly it would have been very near maxed out at ISO 100.

If otherwise, then a bit more flash exposure (Flash Compensation is how we control TTL flash) would seem better, result not as dark.

Another possibility - It could be that your own computer monitor is not calibrated and is too overly full bright? LCD monitors come that way.
 
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carguy

Senior Member
Thanks Wayne. Good tips. I was in TTL.

I just read a post on here this past week about adjusting EV but did not consider it here.



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carguy

Senior Member
Wayne & Glenn, your comments reflect what someone on facebook commented.

I higher fstop would have helped keeping everyone in focus in the shot with people opening presents, then it dawned on me...

I was in Aperture Priority shooting these. My thought was carried over from shooting my son playing hockey using a variable aperture lens. I wanted to use as LOW a number as I could due to the low lighting in the arena.

Shooting these with on camera flash, I should have gone to manual and stepped up the fstop. This would take the variable aperture lens out of the equation and I could have shot consistently.

Maybe F9 or so? That would have allowed me to shoot higher ISO rightr? Maybe 400 or 800 correct?

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WayneF

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Shooting these with on camera flash, I should have gone to manual and stepped up the fstop. This would take the variable aperture lens out of the equation and I could have shot consistently.


I think you did very well, other than needing a bit more flash exposure.

The variable max aperture is not a specific problem, other than it increases the probability you were wide open instead of stopped down slightly. Not always an option, but the f/2.8 lens are really good for bounce at f/4 or f/5.

Always watch the Ready indicator for bounce, to be certain it does not flash the insufficient flash power signal. For a hot shoe flash, this shows in the viewfinder too, it is no trouble to see it. We just have to think to look, at least early in the session. You can judge how close to full power you are by the delay until it comes on Ready.

If flashes are remote, you have to look at the flash. The head rotates, so we can place them with the Ready light still in view from the camera position. We can also make it beep. It is good to know though. If it is flashing insufficient power, then increasing flash compensation cannot help, it cannot do more.

I'd get rid of the flash diffuser. Too tiny to help, it just reduces power output. It does allow some direct spill horizontally. It or better a bounce card, can help hot shoe bounce (adds eye catchlights), but a small bounce card can do it better.

Maybe F9 or so? That would have allowed me to shoot higher ISO rightr? Maybe 400 or 800 correct?

There are always more things going on. Stopping down one stop is usually a good thing, but there is probably not enough flash power to shoot bounce at f/9... unless you increase the ISO considerably. Which the ISO would then show the ambient lighting better, but incandescents are orange compared to flash. If intentionally using the incandescents, then we would choose incandescent white balance, and put CTO filters on the flash to make it orange too, to match. If wanting to hide the incandescent orange, then using Manual camera mode allows still setting aperture for flash power (same as A mode), but setting shutter speed high (max sync speed) to hide the ambient orange effect.

I usually use about f/4 ISO 400 for bounce (f/2.8 lens), to minimize the flash power, to insure adequate flash power and faster recycle. On a SB-800, that f/4 ISO 400 will typically (barely) do 12 foot commercial acoustic tile ceilings at full power (hot shoe, standing), and makes lower ceilings be a piece of cake (fast recycle, with lots of margin). If you use camera A mode, you will always have 1/60 second shutter speed (indoors). OK, a couple of exceptions are possible to be slower, but 1/60 does not do anything for flash, but the slow speed can allow hints of the orange incandescents, which some people like the warming. Or camera M mode allows 1/200 second to keep it out, and just use the flash. It is a preference, shutter speed does not affect the flash exposure.
 
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cadomniel

Senior Member
I got the SB-700 today. Sold the SB-400 with my D5100. I ilke the SB-700 there is just so much more you can do with it than compared to the SB-400. It seems pretty straightforward and intuitive to use unlike the Canon flashes I played with :p

There is a lot for me to learn in how to use it and the other disadvantage it doesn't really fit in my camera bag very well comapred to the SB-400 when I have it loaded with the camera and a few lenses
 
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