White Balance preset doesn't seem to work the way the manual suggests it should

AndreasAhston

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On page 95 of the manual there is an explanation of how to make white balance presets. As I understand it I should pick the preset number I want d-1 for example. Then: "Release the ?/key (WB) button briefly and then press the button [it doesn't say which button but I assume it's the same one] until the PRE icon in the control panel starts to flash" Except it never starts to flash. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Please help me.

Andreas
 

Geoffc

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Press and hold WB button and rotate rear dial until PRE shows. Choose Dx whilst holding WB button. Release and then hold in WB until PRE starts flashing. Take test shot whilst flashing. I just tried it on mine.
 

AndreasAhston

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Hi Geoff, and thanks for your reply. But when I do it like you describe, which is exactly what the manual says, there is no flashing going on. I guess that there is something I'm not doing, that is so obvious nobody thinks it's worth mentioning, or else there could perhaps be some other setting or mode or something like that, which must be changed or activated for this to work properly.
So here is exactly what I do: I push the wb button. It is already set to PRE so i don't have to rotate the dial for that. I select the right preset (d-3 or whatever, I'm guessing this is what dx means?) unless it's already selected. I am still, of course holding down the wb button, and nothing else. I let go of the wb button for a second, half a second, two seconds, five second (i've tried a lot of time intevals by now) and then I push it again and hold it much longer that I would expect necessary. But alas, there is no flashing anywhere. What's missing here?
 

JohnFrench

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I am thinking that the manual has left out a step in the procedure. I do not what it is, but I recently found a missing step while trying to use the buttons/command wheel to set the capture mode to the SD card (i.e., JPEG/NEF or both). I found the missing step just by accident after fiddling around for about thirty minutes.
Before you push WB button, try pushing INFO button then WB button then rotate COMMAND DIAL.
 
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Geoffc

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Hi Geoff, and thanks for your reply. But when I do it like you describe, which is exactly what the manual says, there is no flashing going on. I guess that there is something I'm not doing, that is so obvious nobody thinks it's worth mentioning, or else there could perhaps be some other setting or mode or something like that, which must be changed or activated for this to work properly.
So here is exactly what I do: I push the wb button. It is already set to PRE so i don't have to rotate the dial for that. I select the right preset (d-3 or whatever, I'm guessing this is what dx means?) unless it's already selected. I am still, of course holding down the wb button, and nothing else. I let go of the wb button for a second, half a second, two seconds, five second (i've tried a lot of time intevals by now) and then I push it again and hold it much longer that I would expect necessary. But alas, there is no flashing anywhere. What's missing here?

I've had a play and can't re-create your problem. The only thing I can suggest is to reset the camera.
 

yauman

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Wait.. there's something missing here. d-1, d-2 etc should have images you have taken and have used previously as your WB reference images. If this is the FIRST TIME you use WB Pre, there should be NO d-1, d-2, etc images so you should not be able to select them - you cannot select a non-existing WB image. Is that your issue? If you have had WB images you have use previously, then d-1, d-2, d-3 etc are all your previous references (which you can custom name so instead of seeing d-1, it would read "Office" and name d-2 as "lawn" etc.)
 

AndreasAhston

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Hi Yauman
Thanks for your reply. You got that right. It works now. But I still don't quite understand why it needs a reference image. Most videocameras just need to be told that what is white. What is the reference for? Should the reference image be something white that has the same color temperature that I want the white balance set to? Or is it just any picture from any place?
 

yauman

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Hi Yauman
Thanks for your reply. You got that right. It works now. But I still don't quite understand why it needs a reference image. Most videocameras just need to be told that what is white. What is the reference for? Should the reference image be something white that has the same color temperature that I want the white balance set to? Or is it just any picture from any place?

The simple answer is that if you are telling the camera you want a custom white balance, it needs to know what is "white." In all the other settings, it got "what is white" preprogrammed in - but with custom setting, you have to tell it. How do you tell it is where the reference image comes in.

"What is white" depends on how that "white" is lighted! Our brains remember color and interpret our vision based on that memory. If a person stands under a leafy tree surrounded by a green lawn, you looking at the person sees flesh tone because your brain tells you that his flesh is flesh tone. But in reality, he's really green from the reflected green light around him - and if you take a picture of him, he will be greenish! Thus the importance of have a proper reference for a proper White Balance.

If you take a picture of a white piece of paper (filling the frame) and by using that as the reference, you are tell the camera that "hey this is image should be white" (or grey) even though it will not be if the picture was illuminated by incandescent (it will be reddish) or fluorescent light (it will be greenish). So unless you have an absolute reference, your camera is "guessing" by invoking some averaging algorithm. For the D7100, the auto white balance actually do a reasonable good job.

Now, there's is of course absolute kelvin setting you can use and most professional videgraphers prefer this method of setting and remember all the Kelvin number for daylight, cloudy, incandescent etc. D7100 allows you to set by absolute reference too - just go to the K settings and dial in a number to whatever you think the kelvin setting for the scene is. (I have a videographer friend who makes fun of me for using a grey card reference - he looks at the sky and rattles off the Kelvin numbers off the top of his head!)

The proper way to use that custom preset is to buy yourself a 18% grey card (8x10) from any photo supply place. When you need to calibrate for a scene, take a picture of that card under the shooting light condition - make sure it fills the frame completely - turn off auto focus; blurred preferred - and take a picture of it using Auto WB setting. Now, when you use that image as the reference image for custom white balance, you are telling the camera that that image should be 18% grey and the camera computer will then auto correct the color for all your images based on that reference. Then when your light changes, you'll need to do another one.

If you don't want to be bothered with doing the reference image thing, you can do it post production if you use something like Lightroom, Aperture, etc. If the picture have some grey or white, or have someone holding a grey card in the image, at post production just tell the program that that little white or grey area should be the balanced white and the rest of the picture will be corrected. I alway have my models hold a grey card under her chin as the first picture of a series and then correct at post production. If you have an image without a grey card, the whites of the eye and the teeth are good white reference points. If the image have a part of brush aluminum (like the MacBook Pros) that's a very good white balance area to use for reference. (btw white, grey and black are the same thing in color physics - just level of intensity.)

Here's a trick when you use speed lights - at least the Nikon ones - set WB to "Cloudy" Works perfectly every time - much better than AWB or Flash setting!

Hope that helps.
 
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yauman

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Hi Yauman
Should the reference image be something white that has the same color temperature that I want the white balance set to? Or is it just any picture from any place?

Here's the two ways to get the white balance reference if you want to use it.

1. Shoot a grey card like I described - make sure the image of the card covers the majority of the image -100% is best. But if you are holding the card, make sure that your own shadow is not over the card.

2. This is the preferred way - get one of those "White Balance Lens Caps". It's basically a filter with a frosted finish. When you aim it at the subject it's all totally and completely blurred and smeared and you get an overall color cast. Take a picture and that's what you use for reference. Google "white balance cap" and you find them from $50 to $5. Here's a secret - the best one is to just wrap a Mr Coffee coffee filter over your lens, point to the image and take a picture. Best result ever (only Mr Coffee white ones - some people have success with Melita! - but don't use the brown recycle paper ones!)

Hope that helps.
 

FastGlass

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Not sure what body your using but I never have to choose an image. Actually there is no image to choose. Just a number with a gray box. Canon cameras actually have an image of the scene of the light your shooting in. All I do is take a custom shot. When "good" is displayed I hit o'k and start shooting.
 
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