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    Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    Finally got a beautiful sun filled morning today. I took this opportunity to get some BIF shots and I was very lucky to have Egrets, Buzzards and Hawks all available today!

    While I did better than I expected I would my shots leave a lot lacking. They look great as small photos but when I view them at 100% they are either grainy or a lot of fuzzy around where I would like to see sharp.

    I am not yet sure what I did wrong. It is either aperture, shutter speed or I am just not yet close enough and am cropping too much and losing quality.

    I will figure this out though.

    Anyway, here are the best of what I shot today. My first BIF shots with my 70-300mm VR ED lens.

    Here are the Egret shots

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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    Here is the best of the pathetic Hawk shots. I was greatly disappointed in these. I thought they would be really nice.


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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    tough call..looks like lots of sun...was your shutter speed over 1000?single point focus?how much are you cropping? 50%/75% 25%...lets see some details,with that setup and some hints na d tricks you should be able to get some crisp shots in no time
    edit-are you using any software to edit? I can lighten up the hawk for you and post it if you want...
    Last edited by pictaker64; 12-12-2013 at 02:14 AM.

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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by pictaker64 View Post
    tough call..looks like lots of sun...was your shutter speed over 1000?single point focus?how much are you cropping? 50%/75% 25%...lets see some details,with that setup and some hints na d tricks you should be able to get some crisp shots in no time
    edit-are you using any software to edit? I can lighten up the hawk for you and post it if you want...
    There was a lot of sun but this time of year it never gets up high. Always off the shoulder/to the side type of sun light.

    Shutter was no less than 1/1500th sec. I did not use Single point focus this time and wish I had now. I used 3D tracking with AF-C. I did crop a good bit off these, probably too much crop. Not sure how much percent I cropped though. I can post an uncropped version.

    I need a longer lens or I needed to be a lot closer.

    Feel free to do what you like with my images. I am here to learn as much as I can. My software only does so much as I only have NikonView NX2, Photoshop 7.0 and LightZone.
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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    Your being way too hard on yourself Mike. You should see my first egret BIF shot. Yours are better. The hawk is still a nice shot but you picked a tough angle looking straight up on the darker underbelly. I know you don't have the software but just a little reduction in shadows would highlight some more detail. Birders do tons of heavy cropping even with longer lenses, it's just part and parcel of shooting this subject.
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    I lightened it up a bit and recropped,just so I could work on it,course you lose more with the recrop,and add noise but it is what it is..single point focus without a doubt for shooting bif,lay it right on them and pull the trigger ...might take some practice but you should get used to it.I leave both eyes open and follow the bird till I get it in frame and click..what aperture you at? sometimes shooting wide open will make you lose a lot of detail...step it back to 9 and see how it goes.You want detail,but if your not getting focus,it will never happen....are you shooting raw?jpg? raw will help you with post processing,more data to use for the proggies,plus if you are a little short on light(like the hawk shot) you can bring it up two steps without losing anything....I have rambled enough,I am sure there are plenty of pro's here who can chime in... Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread-untitled1.jpg


    edit-and like dramtastic says ,you should see some of my first shots...YIKES...maybe 1 out of a hundred was semi good
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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    Mike doesn't yet have the software to make the most of his shots. I will agree that, and I believe Mike didn't, he should be stopping down to F8/9/10/11 and checking which one produces the sharpest results. There was more than enough available light for this.
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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    I think you did awesome for your first birds in flight shots!
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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    Nice shots so far! You might try a Circular Polarizer when you have alot of direct sunlight. It will reduce the reflection off the bright white feathers and enhance the sky at the same time.
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    Re: Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by pictaker64 View Post
    what aperture you at? sometimes shooting wide open will make you lose a lot of detail...step it back to 9 and see how it goes.You want detail,but if your not getting focus,it will never happen....are you shooting raw? jpg? raw will help you with post processing,more data to use for the proggies,plus if you are a little short on light(like the hawk shot) you can bring it up two steps without losing anything....

    edit-and like dramtastic says ,you should see some of my first shots...YIKES...maybe 1 out of a hundred was semi good


    Mike D90's "Birds in Flight" Learning Thread-untitled1.jpg

    I was almost wide open to keep shutter speed up and ISO as far down as possible. I shoot RAW/NEF



    Quote Originally Posted by dramtastic View Post
    Mike doesn't yet have the software to make the most of his shots. I will agree that, and I believe Mike didn't, he should be stopping down to F8/9/10/11 and checking which one produces the sharpest results. There was more than enough available light for this.
    No, I was at f/5.3 or 5.7.
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