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  1. #21
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortkentdad View Post
    I see Henry's of Toronto has a 14mm used on sale for a bit over a grand (CDN$) which is in the ball park of a new 20mm Siggy 1.4.
    I don't want to muddy the waters further for you, but then I'd feel remiss if I didn't ask if you've at least considered the Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX. Maybe it's not wide enough at 16mm, but if that'll get it done for you, it's a stunning lens and a constant f/2.8 to boot. Just a thought.
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  2. #22
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoscope Fish View Post
    I don't want to muddy the waters further for you, but then I'd feel remiss if I didn't ask if you've at least considered the Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX. Maybe it's not wide enough at 16mm, but if that'll get it done for you, it's a stunning lens and a constant f/2.8 to boot. Just a thought.
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    I have looked at it - one mm short on the short end and two mm shorter on the long end when compared to the Tamron 15-30 2.8 - but priced a much better at $20 shy of a grand. It is a contender.

    I had a chance to look at the 15-30mm and the Nikkor 14-24 at a shop on Thursday - those are honking big lenses - and very pricey. The option of getting the UW for DX and using my D7100 for ultra wide and ultra long (200-500 lives on the D7100 now). Save a grand or so for something else. Been looking at the pro's con's of Ultra Wide FX vs Ultra Wide DX lenses (on their respective cameras - lots of talk of putting an ultra wide Dx on an Fx - I'd use my D71000 not D610 for a Dx lens.

    I have also added the newly announced Tamron 10-24 DX lens to the option list. Down side - it is a variable ap at 3.5 - 4.5 but early reviews are glowing and weather resistant. And maybe worth while waiting on the newly announced 14mm Siggy Art lens.

    Hope to get to a small camera show in Edmonton sponsored by McBain's Camera on the 22nd, the manufacturers rep's are their, often with good discounts.
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  3. #23
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoscope Fish View Post
    I don't want to muddy the waters further for you, but then I'd feel remiss if I didn't ask if you've at least considered the Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX. Maybe it's not wide enough at 16mm, but if that'll get it done for you, it's a stunning lens and a constant f/2.8 to boot. Just a thought.
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  4. #24
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Sorry TS for piggy back your thread.

    Nikon 18-35mm f/3.5-4.5 or Tokina 17-35mm f4 PRO
    Anyone had tried either one of these lenses ?
    Am looking for one since I don't have UWA ...

  5. #25
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Upgrading FX Wide Lens
    Looking harder at the 20mm primes, either the Nikkor 1.8 or Sigma's new Artsy 20 1.4.
    Price is close enough at about a grand.

    Obviously the Siggy is a stop faster (or is that a full stop?)
    But apparently not as sharp at 1.4 as 1.8 - but nice to be able to open it up just a little more when you really need it.


    Upgrading FX Wide Lens-20mmuwa.jpg

    BUT - size matters - in this case the Sigma is a Bigma lens, bulbous front end (not easy filtering) and almost three times the weight.
    Nikkor G is much lighter (and more plasticy according to some reviews) but durable enough - especially if well cared for and used as often as one might expect to use a 20mm prime
    DOX scores are exceptional for either of these. There does not seem to be much difference in the IQ reviews - the Sigma is a bigger, heavier, perhaps better built lens, but is it too big? Would I avoid using it? The Nikkor 1.8 would fit into the bag much easier.

    Another upside I had not really thought about but I'd get two primes for the price of one when I mount this on my D7100 it is a fast 30mm prime.

    I do have some primes - a 35 DX, 60mm Macro, 50mm Siggy Art and 105 AFD macro.

    I could spend a grand or two and get a better FX zoom although the one I have isn't all that awful.

    Or, spend about a grand and get a super sharp 20mm fast prime that I can use when I need it.




    I'm off to an in-store photography show at McBains on Saturday - maybe the Sigma or Nikon reps there will be persuasive enough to get me to open my wallet "ultra wide". There have been Tamron people at this event last time I went, but don't think I've ever seen a Tokina person there - but then I wasn't looking for one.
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    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
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  6. #26
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    I am following this thread with interest. As I myself am not much of a zoom person, this fast 20 mm prime idea is very interesting. The speed difference is 2/3rds of a stop in favor of the Sigma (f/2 would be 1 stop slower than f/1.4) and the size/weight and filter issues in favor of the Nikon.

    Please post your impressions after you've been to the show.
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  7. #27
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Am I being overly cautious about the challenges of these big bulbous lenses?

    Or does size matter?
    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX: AF 50 1.8,
    AFS 60 2.8, AFS 85 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    and a collection of Lensbabies
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4X & 2X TC
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  8. #28
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    I have been pondering this very thing for my D700. I really cannot afford the Tamron 15-30 and I borrowed a 10 mm prime for my D7200 before I bought the Sigma 10-20 mm 3.5 lens for it. I liked the flexibility of the zoom when I try to compose the picture of a sunrise.

    I do like the Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX. That lens seems to be more within my reach.

    I am glad you started this thread @Fortkentdad. I am not so sure that my wife is, but she is pretty patient with me.
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  9. #29
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    I have been pondering this very thing for my D700. I really cannot afford the Tamron 15-30 and I borrowed a 10 mm prime for my D7200 before I bought the Sigma 10-20 mm 3.5 lens for it. I liked the flexibility of the zoom when I try to compose the picture of a sunrise.

    I do like the Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX. That lens seems to be more within my reach.

    I am glad you started this thread @Fortkentdad. I am not so sure that my wife is, but she is pretty patient with me.
    My apologies to your wife - and wallet.

    My wife went a little overboard in the hand-made shoe shop recently, I have some license to try and keep up in the wallet draining department.

    You say there is a 10mm prime? Only one Mr. Google could find for a Nikon was the for Nikon 1.

    I have not decided whether I need to spend that extra grand to get a zoom for my D610 when I can get that Sigma 10-20 for my D7100 and have that as an option - I'd still have my existing 17-35 Tammy - and may still get a 20mm prime anyway. I do like options.

    . . . but that 16-28 ...
    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX: AF 50 1.8,
    AFS 60 2.8, AFS 85 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    and a collection of Lensbabies
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4X & 2X TC
    Godox AD360, AD200, 2 x V860, V350 SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2,
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me

  10. #30
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    Re: Upgrading FX Wide Lens

    Do not dismiss the Nikon 16-35 f4. I did some tests a few years back between the 14-24 and the 16-35 when I had both. I finally sold the 14-24 and kept the 16-35.

    My reasons were that with FX the high iso quality permits the F4 aperture PLUS the 16-35's extended range (24-35) AND it has VR which in some cases can be extremely useful. Ok, corners might be a bit softer, but the camera's processor can remove quite a bit of distortion when a situation allows you to use jpegs or if you use Nikon's Capture N-XD to post process your NEF files.
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