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    What are your thoughts on this....

    What are your thoughts on this....
    I really wanted to find some type of longer lens than what I have, but the problem always comes down to weight. Currently my longest is the 300mm f/4 PF coupled with a Nikon 1.4x teleconverter (focal length of 420mm).

    The super zooms are out simply due to weight. And even the Nikon 500mm f/5.6 PF is hefty with a weight of 3.2 pounds. It weighs the same as the Nikon 300mm f/4 (non-VR) which was too heavy for the chronic tendonitis in my hand.

    So I decided to try out this option - Nikon 300mm f/4 PF with a Nikon 1.7x teleconverter. Wide open the aperture is f/6.7. It brings my focal length to 500mm. What are your thoughts on quality? I did the same type of post processing I normally do. The images lack the incredible sharpness of most of my lenses yet it is still pretty good. Every image today had a purple sky - and didn't use a CP filter. Altered the sky's color which didn't take much of any extra time. Next time I might try a slightly faster shutter speed to compensate for the longer focal length - and possibly stop down to f/7.1 for a slight increase in DoF.

    Here is a screen shot of a NEF with the purple sky.

    What are your thoughts on this....-screen-shot-nef.jpg

    Below are two images from today. In the second, the hawk must have been mid-blink. It's definitely the first time I've ever photographed that.

    What are your thoughts on this....-_dsc3265-low-res.jpg

    What are your thoughts on this....-_dsc3280-low-res.jpg


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    Re: What are your thoughts on this....

    I read mixed reports about the 1.7 on this lens, one thing you could check out of interest is back-front focusing with the converter fitted.
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    I honestly think these hawk pictures with that setup are excellent. If you have to make accommodations for a physical limitation by using this lighter rig, I don't see where you should be disappointed at all.
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    They look good to me! Glad you found the reach you want in a light weight package. Remember too, it doesn't really matter what we think, good enough for you is good enough!
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    You caught him with his nictitating membrane closed. The IQ of those look very good to me.
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    Re: What are your thoughts on this....

    Quote Originally Posted by mikew View Post
    I read mixed reports about the 1.7 on this lens, one thing you could check out of interest is back-front focusing with the converter fitted.
    That is something I really need to check out. No focus tuning done yet as I just got it yesterday afternoon - and I went right out to look for the hawk. It does appear to front focus a little.
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    They look good to me! Glad you found the reach you want in a light weight package. Remember too, it doesn't really matter what we think, good enough for you is good enough!
    I am certainly open to suggestions but doubt there are many alternatives. Unfortunately I am not able to hold a great deal of weight due to tendonitis (and previous tennis elbow surgery). And I really don't want to break the bank for the 500mm f/5.6 PF - it's expensive and too heavy for me to hand hold.

    I need to work with this teleconverter and see if focus tuning will help. The color shift might be a pain but can be fixed in Photoshop. Thanks for your thoughts.

    Here is one more from yesterday with this combo.

    What are your thoughts on this....-_dsc3330-low-res.jpg
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    What are your thoughts on this....
    I can finally take the Blue Heron off my bucket list of things to photograph. Still on my list are a fox and a coyote (yes, even in the suburbs people have reported seeing and hearing them).

    I haven't yet done any focus tuning since I ordered a refurbished teleconverter online. So I'll wait until it arrives and compare them.

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    So a couple of things. First, you're wide open at f6.7 so if it's gonna be soft with the 1.7x it's going to be there. But these really aren't that bad. I was using the 1.7x on rare occasion with the 300mm but I just wasn't crazy about the details I'd lose so if I put a TC on it would be the 1.4x (it's a moot point now that I have the 500mm f5.6).

    With that said, as I mentioned in another thread I've fallen hard for a trio of Topaz AI filters - DeNoise, Sharpen, and Adjust. I use them in that order instead of using the sharpening and denoise in ACR. I only use Sharpen AI in cases where I'm trying to save a photo that's almost sharp (DeNoise has a very good sharpening function). While these photos are more than acceptably sharp I suspect they could benefit from them - as could some of the 1.7x shots I've never processed. It has 3 different sharpening modes: Sharpen, Focus, Stabilize. The first is not much better than what you get in ACR or Topaz DeNoise AI and I don't use it often as the filter can be very slow (turn the auto preview off and just refresh as needed). But the other two do a more than good job of salvaging stuff that's just a bit soft.

    Here's a shot taken of a pair of mating Red Tailed Hawks I took from my Mom's front stoop. This is a 100% crop with the 500mm so they were a little too far off to really get. The bottom is straight out of camera (I've darkened it slightly so you can see the line) and the top is after applying all 3 filters. It's not "great", but it's something I could do a small print of or share online with a little more work.

    What are your thoughts on this....-j55_9088-edit-copy.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorArts View Post
    So a couple of things. First, you're wide open at f6.7 so if it's gonna be soft with the 1.7x it's going to be there. But these really aren't that bad. I was using the 1.7x on rare occasion with the 300mm but I just wasn't crazy about the details I'd lose so if I put a TC on it would be the 1.4x (it's a moot point now that I have the 500mm f5.6).

    With that said, as I mentioned in another thread I've fallen hard for a trio of Topaz AI filters - DeNoise, Sharpen, and Adjust. I use them in that order instead of using the sharpening and denoise in ACR. I only use Sharpen AI in cases where I'm trying to save a photo that's almost sharp (DeNoise has a very good sharpening function). While these photos are more than acceptably sharp I suspect they could benefit from them - as could some of the 1.7x shots I've never processed. It has 3 different sharpening modes: Sharpen, Focus, Stabilize. The first is not much better than what you get in ACR or Topaz DeNoise AI and I don't use it often as the filter can be very slow (turn the auto preview off and just refresh as needed). But the other two do a more than good job of salvaging stuff that's just a bit soft.

    Here's a shot taken of a pair of mating Red Tailed Hawks I took from my Mom's front stoop. This is a 100% crop with the 500mm so they were a little too far off to really get. The bottom is straight out of camera (I've darkened it slightly so you can see the line) and the top is after applying all 3 filters. It's not "great", but it's something I could do a small print of or share online with a little more work.
    Thanks for the info as well as the image, Jake. I can see a big difference in sharpness and detail between the bottom and top portions of your image! The refurbished 1.7x teleconverter that I sent for should arrive today. Then I can try some AF focus tuning on both and compare their results. When I took the hawk images, the first TC arrived as I was walking out the door. I simply took it with me and put it on the lens while in my car - so no AF focus tuning done yet. Figured I'd wait and see how the refurbished one compares.

    I appreciate your thoughts as well as an image that allows me to see the results.
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