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  1. #11
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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Problem exporting in Lightroom.
    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    Some more thoughts....

    Try a jpg export.
    Try opening the tiff file in photoshop
    Check the folder where you exported the tiff to. Are there any .xmp files in the folder? I don't use them and don't know a lot about them, but just wondering if their presence could mess you up.

    Check catalog settings under Edit menu. Here's mine.

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    You don't want to get rid of any .xmp files. Those are the side card files that contain the edits of your NEFs! Your NEFs remain intact during editing. The .xmp files apply those edits when you reopen them as NEF.


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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    You don't want to get rid of any .xmp files. Those are the side card files that contain the edits of your NEFs! Your NEFs remain intact during editing. The .xmp files apply those edits when you reopen them as NEF.
    I didn't know that and have been deleting them. Is that the only way to save an edited RAW image?
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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    You don't want to get rid of any .xmp files. Those are the side card files that contain the edits of your NEFs! Your NEFs remain intact during editing. The .xmp files apply those edits when you reopen them as NEF.
    I'm not saying delete them, but rather don't opt to use them if you don't need them, they can get confusing. If the OP had them turned on, he might be experiencing a problem if he separated them from the tiff or with a simple viewer. Not sure what would happen if he had them on but they got lost during a move.
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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy W View Post
    I didn't know that and have been deleting them. Is that the only way to save an edited RAW image?
    You should be able to save it as a TIFF which won't require the .xmp. I'm pretty sure the side card file is embedded right into the TIFF. @BackdoorHippie any info here would be appreciated.
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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Here is my adventure and learning process regarding xmp files and Lightroom from a few years back. I need to re-read the whole thread myself. Towards the end, Fred and Jake made things more clear for me.
    https://nikonites.com/computers-and-...#axzz5tkPtMxTg

    and another thread
    https://nikonites.com/post-processin...#axzz5tkSXxZh4
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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    I'm not saying delete them, but rather don't opt to use them if you don't need them, they can get confusing. If the OP had them turned on, he might be experiencing a problem if he separated them from the tiff or with a simple viewer. Not sure what would happen if he had them on but they got lost during a move.
    As Cindy points out, the .XMP file is the "recipe card" that contains the metadata for its corresponding raw file, which means the edits you've performed in the raw converter. Delete the "recipe card" and you'll have "cookie dough" (your raw file) but no finished "cookie" (the edited image). And let's not get me started on eating raw cookie dough, okay? 'Cause that's just gross. Seriously... Don't do that.

    Since a .TIFF should have the .xmp data "attached" (as a header) the OP's problem, it seems to me, is that either the .XMP file is not being attached to the .TIFF when converting, or the header is not being read when the .TIFF is opened. If it was the latter, though, I would THINK that would result in a read-error; and that makes me think the problem lies with how the raw files are being exported.

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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Lightroom and other RAW file editors are non-destructive editors. When you make changes to the RAW file, those changes are NOT made in the RAW file… the changes are saved in a side-car file or XMP file… If you make edits/changes/saves to any other file format, it saves those changes to the original file, unless you do something to prevent it…

    If you goto LR’s Catalogue Settings, then to the Metadata tab… you can uncheck the box that says “Automatically Write Changes to XMP”…

    Unchecking that will then save any changes you make to a NEF file in LR in the catalogue instead of creating all those XMP files…

    If you frequently use a RAW editor and frequently move files, you will need to move/keep track of the XMP files also. That’s a real PITA… Saving the changes in the Catalogue is much more efficient.

    If you move a NEF file without its associated XMP file, you will not see any changes you may have made…

    If you frequently use PS for your editing…It’s more efficient to use LR as your file manager and then edit in PS from within LR… then when you save changes in PS, instead of creating an XMP file, it saves the changes back to LR, which then gets saved in the LR catalogue…

    If you shoot several hundred photos a month, you’ll save a tremendous amount of disk space and aggravation by eliminating XMP files by using the LR catalogue…
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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    @hark Nothing to add that hasn't been said already. If you're applying edits in Lightroom and then exporting from Lightroom then the edits applied to the Raw file should be applied in the export. I see nothing in the export presets that would allow you to ignore them.

    As has been mentioned, I high recommend not checking the box that says, "Automatically write changes into XMP", unless you have open the Raw file with the edits into an editor not linked to Lightroom. In other words, if you use another editor and then go to File -> Open and look for the Raw file. If you're using Lightroom then always use Photo -> Edit In (or right-click on the photo and choose the same) so that the edits written in the catalog will be applied automatically ("automatic" happens only with a Raw file, all others give you an option of applying the edit or not).
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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    Here is my adventure and learning process regarding xmp files and Lightroom from a few years back. I need to re-read the whole thread myself. Towards the end, Fred and Jake made things more clear for me.
    https://nikonites.com/computers-and-...#axzz5tkPtMxTg

    and another thread
    https://nikonites.com/post-processin...#axzz5tkSXxZh4
    I just finished reading though the first thread. Thanks so much for pointing it out to me, I feel like I learned a lot! I'll get to the second thread later, when work simmers down or I get home this afternoon. Thanks so much again

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    Re: Problem exporting in Lightroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoscope Fish View Post
    Thank you!!





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