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    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB

    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB
    I'd like some input from members here. A while back I changed my camera to shoot as Adobe RGB instead of sRGB. Some of what I shoot gets printed (Adobe RGB is preferred for that), and I found I had less clipping with Adobe RGB instead of sRGB. And I also changed my post processing in ACR and Photoshop CC from sRGB to Adobe RGB.

    Below I have the same image saved as two different color profiles. The first is Adobe RGB. The second was converted to sRGB prior to saving. Can you see any noticeable differences? Supposedly when uploading to the web, images saved as Adobe RGB get washed out whereas sRGB is ideally suited for the web. So technically the 2nd image (sRGB) should look a little better. Please let me know if you see any differences...even subtle ones. Thanks!

    By the way, the watermark might be a different opacity so please don't go by that. I couldn't remember how I set it for the first image.

    @Horoscope Fish when you have a chance, will you please scrutinize any differences?

    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-_dsc1120-low-res.jpg


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    Re: Adobe RGB vs. sRGB

    No difference here. I checked on my phone and tablet as well. Those screens always look more vivid than my laptop screen but the shots still look the same.

    I said in the other thread that I have trouble wrapping my head around color space. Since then I have done some reading and I think as a concept, I finally get it. As for real life, I still don't get it. I set my camera for jpg and took some shots in each color space. No processing at all. No matter what I viewed them in, I could not tell the difference. So maybe our devices are not capable of showing the difference? Maybe its a printer thing? But that doesn't explain why the aRGB does not look bad on the web. I'll be following along here to learn.

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    Re: Adobe RGB vs. sRGB

    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    I'd like some input from members here. A while back I changed my camera to shoot as Adobe RGB instead of sRGB. Some of what I shoot gets printed (Adobe RGB is preferred for that), and I found I had less clipping with Adobe RGB instead of sRGB. And I also changed my post processing in ACR and Photoshop CC from sRGB to Adobe RGB.

    Below I have the same image saved as two different color profiles. The first is Adobe RGB. The second was converted to sRGB prior to saving. Can you see any noticeable differences? Supposedly when uploading to the web, images saved as Adobe RGB get washed out whereas sRGB is ideally suited for the web. So technically the 2nd image (sRGB) should look a little better. Please let me know if you see any differences...even subtle ones. Thanks!

    By the way, the watermark might be a different opacity so please don't go by that. I couldn't remember how I set it for the first image.

    @Horoscope Fish when you have a chance, will you please scrutinize any differences?
    The difference is subtle but it's there, and I noticed it straight away. The aRGB image appears less saturated and slightly "muddier" than that of the sRGB version. The pics below show the difference clearly, I think. To make these, I simply cropped the same area (roughly) from the rust-colored tree that appears in the top center of your example shot (here's hoping the formatting of my message holds up). The crops aren't exact and both have been resized to 200%, so they're less than sharp, but that's not what's important here; look only at the color. I see distinct color differences not only in the foliage but even in tiny bit of sky you can see in each example:
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    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-argb-crop.jpg.....Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-srgb-crop.jpg
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    Re: Adobe RGB vs. sRGB

    Some areas in the second image look a little more vivid to me.
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    Re: Adobe RGB vs. sRGB

    The sRGB image colors are more saturated and brighter, and is more pleasing to my eye. Thanks for sharing. The difference is more substantial than Id have expected.


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    Re: Adobe RGB vs. sRGB

    Thank you to everyone for your thoughts. I noticed something which I will mention below Nick's comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    No difference here. I checked on my phone and tablet as well. Those screens always look more vivid than my laptop screen but the shots still look the same.
    When I posted both photos here last night, I couldn't tell any difference other than the watermark shifted slightly (added them by hand with a brush). Then when I went through Tapatalk on my iPhone, I could see a difference. When I have time, I will take a screen shot to show the differences. It even listed the bytes which were slightly different.

    This laptop displays 75% sRGB and only 56% Adobe RGB according to my Spyder's calibration. Even when comparing the files directly, they appear to be identical. However, since there is enough of a striking Tapatalk difference, I am going to change my workflow somehow. I prefer working in Adobe RGB simply because I get less clipping. When I checked the clipping between both files, the Adobe RGB had only a tiny amount of white clipping. I fixed those areas individually with a brush before posting. Fortunately I didn't have the issue with clipping blacks. That's been the biggest pain in the butt for me when working in sRGB and the main reason why I switched to Adobe RGB.
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    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB
    I clearly see a difference in Paul's crops. I see no difference in Cindy's original pictures on my laptop screen, they both look like Paul's sRGB crop, neither looks under saturated like the aRGB crop. On my tablet I can zoom in and still see no difference, both look great. I downloaded the two images and cropped in LR. I exported each as what they were, aRGB and sRGB. I still can't see a difference. Is my low-end laptop not letting me see it? Or maybe something on my end is converting the aRGB image before I even get to experience it?

    On my preview screen, these two crops look the same. We'll see when I upload them.

    aRGB
    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-_dsc1120-low-res.jpg

    sRGB
    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-_dsc1120-srgb-low-res.jpg
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    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB
    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    I clearly see a difference in Paul's crops. I see no difference in Cindy's original pictures on my laptop screen, they both look like Paul's sRGB crop, neither looks under saturated like the aRGB crop. On my tablet I can zoom in and still see no difference, both look great. I downloaded the two images and cropped in LR. I exported each as what they were, aRGB and sRGB. I still can't see a difference. Is my low-end laptop not letting me see it? Or maybe something on my end is converting the aRGB image before I even get to experience it?

    On my preview screen, these two crops look the same. We'll see when I upload them.

    aRGB
    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-_dsc1120-low-res.jpg

    sRGB
    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-_dsc1120-srgb-low-res.jpg
    This is interesting. The first one (aRGB) appears slightly more saturated on my monitor. I wonder why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    This is interesting. The first one (aRGB) appears slightly more saturated on my monitor. I wonder why.
    I think I see that too. My laptop is crap though. I can change the screen or my head angle and make them look the same. They look the same on my tablet too. Did I mention I'm confused? The only thing that is clear is that I am not ready to work in aRGB. Maybe when I get a new computer. Things work for me now though. I have my crappy uncalibrated laptop. Prints from Nations always looked as expected and now that I have the Canon Pro 100, prints still look as expected.
    I must have a really good camera.

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    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB
    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    I clearly see a difference in Paul's crops. I see no difference in Cindy's original pictures on my laptop screen, they both look like Paul's sRGB crop, neither looks under saturated like the aRGB crop. On my tablet I can zoom in and still see no difference, both look great. I downloaded the two images and cropped in LR. I exported each as what they were, aRGB and sRGB. I still can't see a difference. Is my low-end laptop not letting me see it? Or maybe something on my end is converting the aRGB image before I even get to experience it?

    On my preview screen, these two crops look the same. We'll see when I upload them.

    aRGB
    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-_dsc1120-low-res.jpg

    sRGB
    Adobe RGB vs. sRGB-_dsc1120-srgb-low-res.jpg
    I looked at the pics again on a Windows laptop and a Mac. Other than the crops posted by Paul, the differences in the other image pairs are not as stark as when viewed on my iPhone. It appears that hardware (or the software driving the display) can make a difference on how images render on a given display based on the colorspace. Definitely learned something here. Thanks for sharing!
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