PP workflow and other stuff..

Slipperman

Senior Member
just curious about the pp methods you guys and gals use and how you keep track of/save the different settings used in tools like NIK Viveza, Topaz Adjust, etc.

i actually like the base Nikon tools. i have my PC setup to automatically start Nikon Transfer when i plug in my SDHC card. from there i uncheck all the files, delete any files i don't want then select the remaining files to transfer over to my NAS raid storage device (giving me an automatic backup of the drive). on completion, Transfer starts up ViewNX-i which displays the newly created directory of NEF files. in View you can setup links to any third party editing tool (Photoshop and On1 for me) that automatically reads the files selected in View. i just like the ease of use of both tools and the fact that View can be used not only as a bridge to the more advanced tools but to zoom in and check sharpness. for me it works.

once i start editing though that's where things get a little hacky. if anybody has checked out my Flickr page, you might notice that the images have rather long and cryptic file names to them.

as a bit of background, before i transfer, i set the destination directory to say '2017_07_14 Church_' and the individual files to 'Church_{Transfer assigned number}'.

as far as the rest of the file name, this is how i come up with it. first if im bracketing/HDR'ing, i edit all selected raw files in camera raw then save all resulting files to jpg's. then i use one of my HDR tools to combine the jpg's into a single file and save that as a tif. at this point the file name would be something like 'Church_001_002_{HDR (NIK) or PHX (Photomatix)}_{hdr effect name (default, balanced, soft, etc)}.tif'. from there on, i work with the tif. if i add a Viveza effect, i'll append 'viv' to the file name. if i add a Color Efex preset, i'll add 'cep_{preset name/abbrev}' and so on and so on. same goes for editing single files except there's only a single number and no HDR or PHX. this does help greatly in helping me track down where the original file is located on my NAS but i figure there's got to be a better way. especially since i don't have a way (that i know of) to access the individual slider values i selected in the preset(s) i used.

so i was wondering, how to other people on here go about a. organizing/naming their files and b. keeping track of the slider values for each preset used. appreciate any input.

as an aside, i'd prefer not to use Lightroom. thx..
 

Slipperman

Senior Member
what about keeping track of/recalling the individual slider settings you used in Nik or any other tool? like in the case of Viveza, how much structure, brightness, etc you set..
 
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Horoscope Fish

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what about keeping track of/recalling the individual slider settings you used in Nik or any other tool? like in the case of Viveza, how much structure, brightness, etc you set..
I work in ACR/Photoshop exclusively but I do use NIK and other assorted plug-ins. Maybe I'm alone in this but... I don't really keep track of individual settings for my shots. Do most people? Honestly curious about this because it has never occurred to me to do that. In fact, I'm not sure what the point would be. Am I missing something??

In short, my raw files are kept in a folder with a date and descriptive name. Within that folder is a sub-folder a full-size, non-compressed .TIFF version of any processed shots. The raw file serves as my "original", the .TIFF is the "finished work". I generate .JPG's, or .PNG's, for posting online but don't keep them beyond that because I can generate new .JPG's from the .TIFF file on an as-needed basis.
 
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Slipperman

Senior Member
I work in ACR/Photoshop exclusively but I do use NIK and other assorted plug-ins. Maybe I'm alone in this but... I don't really keep track of individual settings for my shots. Do most people? Honestly curious about this because it has never occurred to me to do that. In fact, I'm not sure what the point would be. Am I missing something??

In short, my raw files are kept in a folder with a date and descriptive name. Within that folder is a sub-folder a full-size, non-compressed .TIFF version any processed shots. I generate .JPG's or .PNG's for posting online but I don't keep .JPG's after I've posted them because I don't use them for anything beyond that and because I can generate new .JPG's from the .TIFF file I keep on file on an as-needed basis.
so you never wanted to re-process the same image but slightly differently and were curious about what settings you used the first time? i shoot usually 2 sets of 3 bracketed photos (+/-2) plus 6 or 7 continuous release shots. there have been a lot of times where i'll process 1 of the 'rapid fire' shots a certain way then try again with one of the other shots. if i do Viveza in both, i get curious as to what i used the first time. also, if you've done one shot a certain way and it came out great and weeks or months later you shoot a new image that's different but similar (old house/barn, etc), it would be nice to know the settings i used the first time to try to and recreate it as best as possible in the new image. but that's just me. it seems that information is irretrievable.
 
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mikew_RIP

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I work in ACR/Photoshop,dont keep any settings apart from the ACR settings that are kept automatically,i keep raw files in a folder off the computer, i keep jpegs i have generated as i see no point in doing a new edit later if ime happy with the one i have,and jpegs take up so little space.
 

Slipperman

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I work in ACR/Photoshop,dont keep any settings apart from the ACR settings that are kept automatically,i keep raw files in a folder off the computer, i keep jpegs i have generated as i see no point in doing a new edit later if ime happy with the one i have,and jpegs take up so little space.
forgot to mention - it's jpg's that i upload to Flickr because they take up that much less space.
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
so you never wanted to re-process the same image but slightly differently and were curious about what settings you used the first time? i shoot usually 2 sets of 3 bracketed photos (+/-2) plus 6 or 7 continuous release shots. there have been a lot of times where i'll process 1 of the 'rapid fire' shots a certain way then try again with one of the other shots. if i do Viveza in both, i get curious as to what i used the first time. also, if you've done one shot a certain way and weeks or months later you shoot a new image that's different but similar (old house/barn, etc), i would want to know the settings i used the first time to try to and recreate it as best as possible in the new image. but that's just me. it seems that information is irretrievable.
Okay, I see what you mean. I'm thinking we simply have very different shooting styles and different methodologies for processing. For instance, I rarely bracket unless the dynamic range of the scene demands it. I do check my histograms regularly, though, so I'm confident I'm getting the exposure I want out of the shot, knowing I can leverage the raw file significantly for exposure adjustments when processing. I do burst shoot on occasion but I think I typically am taking fewer shots, with three or four probably being the norm for me. Out that burst I'm typically looking the "THE" shot out of the whole sequence; the rest are deleted.

As for wanting to try and apply the same look or feel of an old shot, taken weeks or months prior, to a more current shot I can tell from comparing the raw file to the .TIFF pretty much what I did from an aesthetic standpoint. My basic workflow is always the same: Tone, Color and Artistic effects (in that order). Tone means exposure and that's unique to every shot. Color means getting color correctly balanced and that's not really subjective; whites need to be white and so forth. Once the color is correct I move on the the final stage, Artistic Effects. This, I think is at the heart of what you're referring to and when I want to duplicate the style of a particular shot I took some time ago to a new shot I compare the finished work (the .TIFF) to the original raw file. Based on that comparison I can gauge what was done to achieve the look in the finished image.

No, I can't precisely duplicate the settings using the same exact numbers but in all honesty neither have I ever wanted to. Now if that's what you want to be able to do, well... That is a bit of a head-scratcher. I'm not sure how you could go about that other than by taking notes and creating some kind of "Processing Notes" file that you would store along side your finished image detailing the processing steps your took; maybe using NotePad or another text editor.
 
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Fred Kingston

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so you never wanted to re-process the same image but slightly differently and were curious about what settings you used the first time? i shoot usually 2 sets of 3 bracketed photos (+/-2) plus 6 or 7 continuous release shots. there have been a lot of times where i'll process 1 of the 'rapid fire' shots a certain way then try again with one of the other shots. if i do Viveza in both, i get curious as to what i used the first time. also, if you've done one shot a certain way and it came out great and weeks or months later you shoot a new image that's different but similar (old house/barn, etc), it would be nice to know the settings i used the first time to try to and recreate it as best as possible in the new image. but that's just me. it seems that information is irretrievable.

What you just described is exactly what a "preset" in LR does. You can create your own presets for later use.
 

RocketCowboy

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I'm a Lightroom user as well. With some plugins (I'm thinking Perfectly Clear here), you can set up presets similar to Lightroom, and could use that functionality to track changes. Otherwise, I don't usually track my edits in plugins since they are used for a particular effect rather than globally across an image.
 
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