Lightroom questions

cbay

Senior Member
I'm having some issues with getting accurate color with LR. I'm new to it and would appreciate some feedback. I guess the best way to start is by showing an image processed with View NX2 with no wb or tint changes; which is close to the scene as shot. The second is in LR; and am finding a blue / gray color cast on my images like this one. Not just this one or that time out shooting. It happens with sunrise / sunsets - which are challenging in terms of color.
I know i will need to provide more information but figured i would start with this to see if anything stands out. I was hoping i could easily adjust color cast in LR for my landscapes but is more challenging than i thought it would be. Sort of a metal / blue / grey cast i get with them. There is also a haze that persists with them in LR that i can't figure out.


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cbay

Senior Member
Here is an image where i didn't work at getting it out as much. I should have posted this as the example first; as the above one was after i did the best i could to get it corrected.
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Fred you are right about being a little underexposed, but there is something else going on here as well. If i could send a raw to someone to see what can be done and how that would be great.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
Here is an image where i didn't work at getting it out as much. I should have posted this as the example first; as the above one was after i did the best i could to get it corrected.
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Fred you are right about being a little underexposed, but there is something else going on here as well. If i could send a raw to someone to see what can be done and how that would be great.

You could upload it to a hosting site like Dropbox, and put up a link. We love "fixing" other peoples stuff around here.;)
 

J-see

Senior Member
I'm having some issues with getting accurate color with LR. I'm new to it and would appreciate some feedback. I guess the best way to start is by showing an image processed with View NX2 with no wb or tint changes; which is close to the scene as shot. The second is in LR; and am finding a blue / gray color cast on my images like this one. Not just this one or that time out shooting. It happens with sunrise / sunsets - which are challenging in terms of color.
I know i will need to provide more information but figured i would start with this to see if anything stands out. I was hoping i could easily adjust color cast in LR for my landscapes but is more challenging than i thought it would be. Sort of a metal / blue / grey cast i get with them. There is also a haze that persists with them in LR that i can't figure out.

The difference between the LR version of your shot and the Nikon NX version is that both have an own interpretation of the RAW file when it comes to colors and tones. LR uses an Adobe Cam profile while Nikon has its own version and both have a different way of interpreting and converting WB too, and the colors they assign are slightly different. It's not LR alone since I notice the same issue when loading my shot in RAWTherapee.

The only method I'm aware of to get my shot identical in another editor as it is in Nikon soft is by doing the first work in NX2 or NX-D and then exporting it as a TiFF. But even then you need to make sure you're using the same color profile.
 

cbay

Senior Member
The difference between the LR version of your shot and the Nikon NX version is that both have an own interpretation of the RAW file when it comes to colors and tones. LR uses an Adobe Cam profile while Nikon has its own version and both have a different way of interpreting and converting WB too, and the colors they assign are slightly different. It's not LR alone since I notice the same issue when loading my shot in RAWTherapee.

The only method I'm aware of to get my shot identical in another editor as it is in Nikon soft is by doing the first work in NX2 or NX-D and then exporting it as a TiFF. But even then you need to make sure you're using the same color profile.

I'm not partial to the View NX program, but it seems to be a better representation of the actual scene. I mean the one in LR is cool looking; if you like a gun metal / battleship grey sort of picture :D
I'm just getting started with LR and am sure it can produce good results. Just need to ask plenty of questions and let you guys provide some feedback. As far as color profile i believe camera is srgb.
 

J-see

Senior Member
I'm not partial to the View NX program, but it seems to be a better representation of the actual scene. I mean the one in LR is cool looking; if you like a gun metal / battleship grey sort of picture :D
I'm just getting started with LR and am sure it can produce good results. Just need to ask plenty of questions and let you guys provide some feedback. As far as color profile i believe camera is srgb.


Normally what you see in View NX is the shot as it should be since it interprets the RAW exactly as being shot. That's the Nikon shot with the Nikon tones as your cam captured it.

What you see in another editor is their version and that has more to do with the fact that Nikon doesn't openly share the required information for those other editors to process the NEF identical as Nikon does. I personally don't understand why Nikon doesn't provide that information. They have to realize the majority of people is using different editors and it is only to their benefit when the results of the cams they sell look as good as possible.

But they seem to have another opinion on the matter.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
I'm not partial to the View NX program, but it seems to be a better representation of the actual scene. I mean the one in LR is cool looking; if you like a gun metal / battleship grey sort of picture :D
I'm just getting started with LR and am sure it can produce good results. Just need to ask plenty of questions and let you guys provide some feedback. As far as color profile i believe camera is srgb.

Adobe raw has all the Picture settings too, such as Standard, Neutral, Vivid, etc. In fact, Adobe offers Adobe Standard (default) or camera Standard, and all the others. So IMO, any complaint about not the right look just isn't looking and trying. :) It's all there for us. The real beauty is that we can set it after we can SEE what it needs, and can experiment with which is best.
 
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J-see

Senior Member
Adobe raw has all the Picture settings too, such as Standard, Neutral, Vivid, etc. In fact, Adobe offers Adobe Standard (default) or camera Standard, and all the others. So IMO, any complaint about not the right look just isn't looking and trying. :) It's all there for us. The real beauty is that we can set it after we can SEE what it needs, and can experiment with which is best.

They have other cam profiles but they're still different from what you get in NX.
 

cbay

Senior Member
So IMO, any complaint about not the right look just isn't looking and trying.

My complaint is with my ability. Since i've been looking and trying quite a bit i thought it might be a good idea to get some feedback. I thought that was what we do here. :)
 

Fred Kingston

Senior Member
What I would suggest Chris is.... Use LR... and start by watching their tutorials...

Start with a single image... and simply go through all the LR Pre-sets that come with the base LR Develop module... use the basic pre-sets as a starting place, and move to the sliders...
 

J-see

Senior Member
What you can do too is check the WB values in NX and use those manually in LR instead of those LR uses. It's possible it uses the cam WB correctly (I'd have to check) but all others differ slightly.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
What you can do too is check the WB values in NX and use those manually in LR instead of those LR uses. It's possible it uses the cam WB correctly (I'd have to check) but all others differ slightly.

LOL. The problem with White Balance is that the camera settings are just crude approximations, which were fixed quite independently of the picture scene.

We use raw so we can correct it. :)
 

cbay

Senior Member
Thanks, yes i would love to get into the LR tutorials, but most are video and i have satellite internet which has bandwidth limits. Maybe i can stay up extra late and take advantage of the free bandwidth during late hours. Will have to check out the presets some more as well. I'll check the temp and try that way J-see.
I have found that the sunrise/sunset images are pretty challenging for a beginner. :eek:
 

J-see

Senior Member
LOL. The problem with White Balance is that the camera settings are just crude approximations, which were fixed quite independently of the picture scene.

We use raw so we can correct it. :)

I can't say my WB is crude. It is usually quite correct. The same was not true for the D3300.

To add; even if I use the WB spot to correct in LR and NX, both will give different results which is why I said that if you like the one, you better note the values and manually set those in the other.
 
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paul04

Senior Member
I downloaded the file, and did a few adjustments in lightroom, (I have a new monitor so not 100% sure of the colour/contrast settings yet, just out the box and checking to see if it works ok)

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