Rookie photog looking for advice from fanatics

TheVazha

Senior Member
Hi All!

Just a brief intro, I love photography. I got my first real camera years ago. I purchased a Nikon D5300, and a 10-24 lens to make up for the cropped sensor.

It has been a blast to shoot. I have well over 12,000 shutter clicks, and it still works like a charm. I mostly shoot my cars, and real estate from time to time.

I’m looking to upgrade. My two top pics are the D750, and a Z6. I’d love to get a Z7 but for my needs (and budget) I’m hoping a Z6 will suffice. I plan to buy the adapter to use my 10-24 and the other stock lens that came with the 5300, I think it’s the 18-55.

My two questions are:

1. Is the Z6 a true full frame like the D750?
2. Which would you choose and why?

TIA!


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bluzman

Senior Member
1) Yes

Why do you want to move to a full frame camera when it sounds like you're quite happy with your APS-C D5300?

If all you have is a single DX lens (18-55mm), it hardly seems worth the $250 to buy an FTZ adapter to use it on a full frame camera.

Have you considered the DX Z50? It can be found as part of packages that include two really excellent kit lenses and the FTZ.
 

TheVazha

Senior Member
1) Yes

Why do you want to move to a full frame camera when it sounds like you're quite happy with your APS-C D5300?

If all you have is a single DX lens (18-55mm), it hardly seems worth the $250 to buy an FTZ adapter to use it on a full frame camera.

Have you considered the DX Z50? It can be found as part of packages that include two really excellent kit lenses and the FTZ.

This is why I came here!!

I’m happy with the 5300. Great question on why I want more. I’ve gotten really really good on post. I’ve watched all the crazy you tube tutorials over the years and have become intermediate I’d call it on Photoshop. The thirst for the full frame is just that. I can get what I need from the 5300 and Photoshop (although 90% of my adjustments are in Camera Raw), but I know I’m missing that extra bump by not having a full frame sensor.

So wait, can I use my Nikkor 10-24 directly on the Z6? Don’t I need the adapter for it? I assume the glass on the 10-24 is good because I paid almost $1K for it new a while back. I live in the 14-24 range even with the cropped sensor. The only issue I have with my 5300 is that the photos come out a tiny tiny bit blurred if that makes sense. Maybe it’s all in my head, and sometimes the effect looks amazing, but I think a full frame will get some detail that I think I’m missing?

I guess by buying the adapter as a kit I was hoping to salvage the only two lenses I have. Is that sound accurate or is there another option?

I have not considered the DX Z50. How does it compare quality wise to a D750 or the Z6?


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Bikerbrent

Senior Member
Welcome aboard. Enjoy the ride.
We look forward to seeing more posts and samples of your work.

No you cannot use the 10-24 directly, you will need the adapter. What is the second lens you own. Is it the 18-55 bluzman mentioned? If so they are both DX lenses and would both require the adapter to fit a Z6 or Z7. Also, being DX lenses, they will not do justice to either of these cameras. I would really recommend the Z50, or get a Z6 with a good Z lens.
 

TheVazha

Senior Member
Welcome aboard. Enjoy the ride.
We look forward to seeing more posts and samples of your work.

No you cannot use the 10-24 directly, you will need the adapter. What is the second lens you own. Is it the 18-55 bluzman mentioned? If so they are both DX lenses and would both require the adapter to fit a Z6 or Z7. Also, being DX lenses, they will not do justice to either of these cameras. I would really recommend the Z50, or get a Z6 with a good Z lens.

This is all new to me, and thank you for the reply and the kind welcome! :)

Yes, the second lens is the 18-55 that came with the D5300.

How would you rate the D750 vs Z6 vs Z50? It’s probably impossible to answer in one post, but which would you say is arguably the best as far as picture quality?


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hark

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Hi and welcome. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any member who has both a z6 and a D750. @Danno has the z6 along with a D700 so hopefully he can help shed some light on your questions.

I have a D750 which is an absolutely amazing camera. One of its benefits is having 2 card slots compared with only one card slot for the z6. If you are taking photos that you absolutely can't risk missing, 2 cards offer the option of one being a backup. Memory card failures seldom happen though. If you are into wildlife or sports (lots of moving subjects), then a DSLR might be a better choice. But there are advantages to the z6 that the D750 doesn't offer. Since I don't have a z6 and am not too knowledgeable about its features, it would be better to hear from someone like Danno who raves about his! That said, if moving subjects really isn't that important, most likely a z6 would be the way to go with all the new features the mirrorless cameras offer.
 

Needa

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Remember that going to full frame (FF) as opposed to DX requires new lens to take advantage of the sensor. As you are not deep in to F mount glass I think the way forward is Z mount. As for image quality the Z6 has better color depth and low light performance, D750 slightly better dynamic range. But they are close.

Another area you should check is lens availability, the current Z wide angle zoom is?

And just to muddy the waters have you looked at the Z5? FF, dual card slots and IBIS as you are coming from a 5300 you would be accustom to the lack of a top display.

If you type D750 vs Z6 or D750 vs Z5 into your search engine there are sites that allow you to compare specs. It is a question of what will work best for you and your pocketbook.
 

Danno

Senior Member
Hi All!

Just a brief intro, I love photography. I got my first real camera years ago. I purchased a Nikon D5300, and a 10-24 lens to make up for the cropped sensor.

It has been a blast to shoot. I have well over 12,000 shutter clicks, and it still works like a charm. I mostly shoot my cars, and real estate from time to time.

I’m looking to upgrade. My two top pics are the D750, and a Z6. I’d love to get a Z7 but for my needs (and budget) I’m hoping a Z6 will suffice. I plan to buy the adapter to use my 10-24 and the other stock lens that came with the 5300, I think it’s the 18-55.

My two questions are:

1. Is the Z6 a true full frame like the D750?
2. Which would you choose and why?

TIA!


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Without a question I would go with the Z6. As Needa mentioned going from a cropped sensor to a full frame body will require upgrades in lenses. The Z6 is a FF body as is the Z5 and Z7 and the Z6II and Z7II. You can use your current lenses with FTZ adapter, but they will operate as crop sensor on the full frame bodies.

The Z Glass is amazing. I would recommend the Z6 with the 24-70 f4 kit and the FTZ adapter if you wish to use your old DX lenses. The 24-70 is not a typical kit lens. It is the S lens which is the designation for Nikon Z bodies the best lenses.

I do not think you would be disappointed with the Z6. I am not. I shoot landscapes, architecture, events at my church, car shows and about everything else with it. I am not a big birds in flight guy. The key with the Z6 and all the Z bodies is that they are a bit different from the DSLRS that Nikon makes. Not a lot different, but they do have a learning curve with the autofocus. Menus and such are very similar.

I was going to go with the 850 when I tried out a Z6. Some folks think I was crazy, but I fell in love with the Z6 and am not looking back. I have a good bit of glass not and am very pleased.
 

TheVazha

Senior Member
Hi and welcome. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any member who has both a z6 and a D750. has the z6 along with a D700 so hopefully he can help shed some light on your questions. <br>
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I have a D750 which is an absolutely amazing camera. One of its benefits is having 2 card slots compared with only one card slot for the z6. If you are taking photos that you absolutely can't risk missing, 2 cards offer the option of one being a backup. Memory card failures seldom happen though. If you are into wildlife or sports (lots of moving subjects), then a DSLR might be a better choice. But there are advantages to the z6 that the D750 doesn't offer. Since I don't have a z6 and am not too knowledgeable about its features, it would be better to hear from someone like Danno who raves about his! That said, if moving subjects really isn't that important, most likely a z6 would be the way to go with all the new features the mirrorless cameras offer.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but if I go D750 (I've wanted one from the day I bought my 5300), I can use my current lenses direct? <br>
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Remember that going to full frame (FF) as opposed to DX requires new lens to take advantage of the sensor. As you are not deep in to F mount glass I think the way forward is Z mount. As for image quality the Z6 has better color depth and low light performance, D750 slightly better dynamic range. But they are close.<br>
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Another area you should check is lens availability, the current Z wide angle zoom is?<br>
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And just to muddy the waters have you looked at the Z5? FF, dual card slots and IBIS as you are coming from a 5300 you would be accustom to the lack of a top display. <br>
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If you type D750 vs Z6 or D750 vs Z5 into your search engine there are sites that allow you to compare specs. It is a question of what will work best for you and your pocketbook.
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So I was under the understanding that the Z6 was better for action shots? One of the driving forces is my babies. I cant get them to sit still, ever, and I thought having a camera that better performs with moving images was the way to go..<br>
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Without a question I would go with the Z6. As Needa mentioned going from a cropped sensor to a full frame body will require upgrades in lenses. The Z6 is a FF body as is the Z5 and Z7 and the Z6II and Z7II. You can use your current lenses with FTZ adapter, but they will operate as crop sensor on the full frame bodies. <br>
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The Z Glass is amazing. I would recommend the Z6 with the 24-70 f4 kit and the FTZ adapter if you wish to use your old DX lenses. The 24-70 is not a typical kit lens. It is the S lens which is the designation for Nikon Z bodies the best lenses. <br>
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I do not think you would be disappointed with the Z6. I am not. I shoot landscapes, architecture, events at my church, car shows and about everything else with it. I am not a big birds in flight guy. The key with the Z6 and all the Z bodies is that they are a bit different from the DSLRS that Nikon makes. Not a lot different, but they do have a learning curve with the autofocus. Menus and such are very similar. <br>
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I was going to go with the 850 when I tried out a Z6. Some folks think I was crazy, but I fell in love with the Z6 and am not looking back. I have a good bit of glass not and am very pleased.
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I saw the kit with the 24-70, it's about $2500. I was looking at D750's, and they have a few kits that are around $2K with multiple lenses. Are these any good? Being offered on Amazon with D750: <strong><strong><font size="2">24-120mm VRand 70-300mm </font></strong></strong><br>
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Are these good lenses? If I go this route I save $500 and get to use my old lenses correct?<br>
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Two more questions: <br>
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1. If I go the Z route, can I sell my D5300 and lenses here? What do you guys think they're worth? It would be great to recoup some of the Z6 cost. <br>
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2. I shoot real estate from time to time. I love how the 10-24 can make a tiny guest bedroom look like the Taj Mahal. Can I achieve this with the 24-70 kit on the Z6? Is there good wide angle glass for the Z6 I can consider? And this is the most important question: Does my existing 10-24 work as a full frame lens on a D750? <br>
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I'm so torn. I know the Z6 is probably the better camera, it sounds like it's the future. But For my needs (real estate and my kids) the D750 will suffice. I just feel like if I'm ready to spend $2K+ I should get something that will be relevant in the years to come..
 

Danno

Senior Member
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I saw the kit with the 24-70, it's about $2500. I was looking at D750's, and they have a few kits that are around $2K with multiple lenses. Are these any good? Being offered on Amazon with D750: <strong><strong><font size="2">24-120mm VRand 70-300mm </font></strong></strong><br>
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Are these good lenses? If I go this route I save $500 and get to use my old lenses correct?<br>
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Two more questions: <br>
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1. If I go the Z route, can I sell my D5300 and lenses here? What do you guys think they're worth? It would be great to recoup some of the Z6 cost. <br>
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2. I shoot real estate from time to time. I love how the 10-24 can make a tiny guest bedroom look like the Taj Mahal. Can I achieve this with the 24-70 kit on the Z6? Is there good wide angle glass for the Z6 I can consider? And this is the most important question: Does my existing 10-24 work as a full frame lens on a D750? <br>
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I'm so torn. I know the Z6 is probably the better camera, it sounds like it's the future. But For my needs (real estate and my kids) the D750 will suffice. I just feel like if I'm ready to spend $2K+ I should get something that will be relevant in the years to come..

First wit the FTZ adapter your DX lenses will work exactly the same on the Z6 as the D750. Both cameras will switch from FX mode to DX and the photos will both have the 1.5 crop applied.

the 750 you reference to 24-1r20 lens is a good set up. And it is more cost effective. Also the 750 would be fine for the kids, although since the latest firmware update I think the Z6 is better. But there is more to the Z6.

The viewfinder gives you a true WYSIWYG. There are no more shoot, verify and adjust exposure. The internal stabilization is amazing as well. Many can get a 1 second shutter without a tripod.

On the added cost side... the Z6 uses XQD or CFexpress cards which are not cheap. You will need a card reader as well. The native lenses are not inexpensive. I have the 24-70f4 that came with my body. I have since bought a 50 f1.8, 85 f1.8 14-30 f4. The lenses are amazing but the primes are north of $500 and the 14-30 f4, (which woul be an amazing replacement for your 10-24), was just over $1000. I still use my 70-200 f2.8 Tamron and 200-500 f5.6 Nikon with the FTZ.

As it stands I would still recommend the Z6. You will need to upgrade your DX lenses to FX lenses and I have come to love the Z platform. It is where Nikon is investigating in. However there is nothing wrong wit the D750. It will use your DX lenses in crop mode and most of the replacement lenses.

I wish you well in this quest. The only thing I will suggest, before you spend the cash try out the two bodies. The shutter sound, and speed as well as the electronic viewfinder and in body stabilization need to be tried out before you make a decission.
 

hark

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And correct me if I'm wrong, but if I go D750 (I've wanted one from the day I bought my 5300), I can use my current lenses direct?

So I was under the understanding that the Z6 was better for action shots? One of the driving forces is my babies. I cant get them to sit still, ever, and I thought having a camera that better performs with moving images was the way to go.

I saw the kit with the 24-70, it's about $2500. I was looking at D750's, and they have a few kits that are around $2K with multiple lenses. Are these any good? Being offered on Amazon with D750: <strong><strong><font size="2">24-120mm VRand 70-300mm
Are these good lenses? If I go this route I save $500 and get to use my old lenses correct?

Two more questions:
1. If I go the Z route, can I sell my D5300 and lenses here? What do you guys think they're worth? It would be great to recoup some of the Z6 cost.

2. I shoot real estate from time to time. I love how the 10-24 can make a tiny guest bedroom look like the Taj Mahal. Can I achieve this with the 24-70 kit on the Z6? Is there good wide angle glass for the Z6 I can consider? And this is the most important question: Does my existing 10-24 work as a full frame lens on a D750?

I'm so torn. I know the Z6 is probably the better camera, it sounds like it's the future. But For my needs (real estate and my kids) the D750 will suffice. I just feel like if I'm ready to spend $2K+ I should get something that will be relevant in the years to come..

You can use your DX lenses on a D750 directly (no adapter required). It should automatically crop the images although there is a specific setting in the D750 where you can choose to have it crop automatically or not. If not, then you will see vignetting. If the crop is automatic, the file size will be smaller (meaning the overall resolution will be smaller).

A DSLR is better for handling action photos than mirrorless - but if you are simply talking about kids running around, either one should be fine.

The D750 kit lens which is the 24-120mm f/4 VR is a fantastic lens. It's just one-stop slower than the Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8 VR but a whole lot less expensive. Plus it has more reach. I first purchased a rental 24-120mm f/4 VR lens then when I opted to purchase a second D750, I bought it with this kit lens. As for other lenses, I have no clue what other lenses might be included. Let's just say Nikon DOESN'T package any kits other than with the 24-120mm f/4 VR that I'm aware of. So be very careful from where you purchase. Some places will advertise a great price - but it's possible the body (and maybe any lenses) are grey market. That means Nikon USA wouldn't honor any warranty. And there are places that will charge extra for items such as the battery charger, strap, etc which should come with a genuine USA body. Are you located in the USA?

You may sell your gear here providing you have enough member points. Off the top of my head, I can't remember exactly what is required. The requirement for a certain number of points helps to eliminate riff-raf.

Real Estate: a 10-24mm lens is equivalent to a 14-36mm field of view on FX. So no...the 24-70mm lens isn't wide enough. The best focal length for an FX body for real estate will start at 14mm. Quite often that is a standard focal length for real estate. You might be able to get by with the Nikon 16-35mm f/4 VR, but the Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 is ideally suited for real estate (or a 14mm prime).

So what lenses are included in this kit/combo that you are referencing? That will be helpful in determining whether or not it will be suitable.

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BF Hammer

Senior Member
I'll chime in as somebody who upgraded from a crop-sensor D7000 to a D750 2 years ago.

My motivation for buying into a full-frame body was less noise at high-ISO, capturing wider angle images with better lens options, and work with a narrower depth-of-field to isolate a subject more easily. These are all things that get compromised when working with the crop-sensor DX format. What DX does better is telephoto reach, like with wildlife photography.

That said, I can see where you might want lower-noise photos and wide angle field of view if you are doing interior real-estate photography. I presume you are doing it for some side-money, but you want to preserve your 10-24mm lens. I will speak from experience here. If you buy an FX body, consider the DX lenses to be something to forget. Yes Nikon includes a mode in the D750 for doing an automatic crop to allow a DX lens to work on it. But consider what that involves. Only the image in the center area of the sensor is used, the rest of the image is discarded. You turn a nice 24MP sensor into a crappy 10MP sensor. I suspect you will want the D5300 back when you look at the images.

Now if you are watching youtube videos a lot, as I have been guilty of myself, they more popular channels will start to make you feel like an amateur if you are not using a mirrorless full-frame body. And they will say you MUST have a 14-24mm f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8, and a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens or else you kit will never make it. I say that is maybe the way for somebody shooting weddings and portraits as a main living, but even then it depends. If you have a personal style, there are certain lens ranges and designs you should have, but not necessarily another.

Let's say you gain an advantage with the full frame body for real estate work. Photographing your child's antics is something either a DX or FX format will do well. You are not really shooting telephoto from the sound of it currently. So I say it is not a bad idea to do the upgrade to FX. If you are trying to be forward-looking, the Z-mount mirrorless is the way. The D750 is out of production and has been replaced by the D780, so the new cameras are actually a year or so old at this point. Nikon is shifting away from F-mount, and is not devoting as much R&D toward that, if they have not gone fully Z-mount in the R&D lab already. The old DX lenses would need to go anyhow, so you might as well get the Z-mount lenses. I will say the F2Z adapter is still a good idea at this point since Nikon has been very slowly rolling out the new Z lenses. If you get a 14-24mm and a 24-70mm you will have the same field of view as your current lenses. Consider f/4 versions to save money, or try to get the f/2.8 14-24mm for the real estate work. The bigger disadvantage of a mirrorless body is the viewfinder will lag behind real life just a smidge. Not something you will notice or find problematic as I understand with just people subjects at normal range. But fast-action sports and wildlife at perhaps 150mm or longer and you can easily fall behind if you are tracking a subject like a bird in flight. Static or posed photos, the mirrorless has advantages. Like being easier to see the composition of a slightly dark room in the viewfinder.

If you cannot justify the cost of buying those new lenses, maybe now is not the time to upgrade. I have the benefit of a local camera shop I can shop at. I bought my D750 locally for only about $100 more than Amazon offered at the time. And I traded in a bunch of gear at the time of the sale and received more than $200 in trade value. I even kept my old D7000 and 2 DX lenses for it, it was an even older D80 and the less desirable lenses I traded-in. For that matter, consider KEH camera for selling used gear at. They even should have some used Z6 gear you can buy for a bit of a discount.
 

Chucktin

Senior Member
In general - get the best lenses you can afford. Most Nikon bodies will have VG shutter and ISO accuracy.
The big difference between the bodies is the menu structure and the storage. Some bodies are structured to give a consumer bells and whistles for stills, while others will be hybrids so the user has video tools as well.
Digging down into the Nikon universe, the true "pro" models will be the ones with the fastest transfer to storage and the lowest signal to noise. These figures are obscured and usually difficult to pry out of the advertising garbage.
As to lenses try to avoid the ones with plastic (lens) elements, kinda hard to do. And a 4 to 1 zoom is ... interesting but you're sacrificing qualify for bragging rights.
As per usual you get what you pay for.

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