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  1. #31
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@sabor View Post
    ... Even with 10 FPS in my D500, I wish I could get more frames of that critical few seconds that I may have waited hours, days or a lifetime to capture. The first Sony A9, now 2.5 years old, seems to compete or beat Nikons best focusing cameras and can do it at 20FPS! The Z series appear to even be slower in real world situations than what is claimed in the specs. ....
    Remember that 20 FPS is not attainable in every lighting situation. Lower levels of light will drive longer exposures which can really slow the frame rate down.

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  2. #32
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyman View Post
    Remember that 20 FPS is not attainable in every lighting situation. Lower levels of light will drive longer exposures which can really slow the frame rate down.

    WM
    True. Because I don't have the budget for F4 lenses, I have already more or less learned how to deal with lighting. I view the 20FPS much like having 4 wheel drive, you don't use it all the time but, you're damn glad you have it when you need it.
    Also most full frame cameras are doing amazing things with high ISO which also makes it easier to maintain shutter speed.
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  3. #33
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@sabor View Post
    I view the 20FPS much like having 4 wheel drive, you don't use it all the time but, you're damn glad you have it when you need it.
    OK, so you (like me) have 10/11 fps with the D500. Yes, a lot can happen in that 1/10s between clicks particularly with birds in flight/hummingbirds. And yet, I can't remember a time I wishes I had twice as many shots to wade thru every outing just to get the small handful that I've "missed" in that 1/10th over all my time with the camera.

    You don't have the budget for the f4 lenses but you're considering the swap? Before you do, get your hands on a 300mm f4 PF. When I got mine I lost 1/2 my reach with the Sigma 150-600mm Sport, but I got so many more shots because I was no longer turning an aircraft carrier - I was turning a sports car. I stick a 1.4x on there and never think about the Sport any more. And the images are so sharp - I was amazed at the difference when I first got it. Consider investing in glass and not the new format and wait for the Nikon Z's to catch up to what you have.
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  4. #34
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorHippie View Post
    OK, so you (like me) have 10/11 fps with the D500. Yes, a lot can happen in that 1/10s between clicks particularly with birds in flight/hummingbirds. And yet, I can't remember a time I wishes I had twice as many shots to wade thru every outing just to get the small handful that I've "missed" in that 1/10th over all my time with the camera.

    You don't have the budget for the f4 lenses but you're considering the swap? Before you do, get your hands on a 300mm f4 PF. When I got mine I lost 1/2 my reach with the Sigma 150-600mm Sport, but I got so many more shots because I was no longer turning an aircraft carrier - I was turning a sports car. I stick a 1.4x on there and never think about the Sport any more. And the images are so sharp - I was amazed at the difference when I first got it. Consider investing in glass and not the new format and wait for the Nikon Z's to catch up to what you have.
    Many times I have tried to capture an Osprey or Blue-Footed Booby entering the water. Almost every time I get a shot several feet above the water and the next frame is nothing but a splash. Same thing with heron spearing fish, more frames would help. Many times I get the perfect wing beat with the bird blinking its eye and no other shot with as good a wing shot. I'm sure if you think about it, you've experienced the same.

    When I mentioned F4 glass, I was referring to 500 or 600mm primes...Currently I don't have much money tied up in lenses and this is another reason I'm considering a switch, before I invest in one or both PF lenses. I may wait a while to see about the z9 and the A9ii and compare. It just seems that it might take Nikon a while to catch up and I ain't getting any younger.
    Thanks for the input!
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  5. #35
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@sabor View Post
    Many times I have tried to capture an Osprey or Blue-Footed Booby entering the water. Almost every time I get a shot several feet above the water and the next frame is nothing but a splash. Same thing with heron spearing fish, more frames would help. Many times I get the perfect wing beat with the bird blinking its eye and no other shot with as good a wing shot. I'm sure if you think about it, you've experienced the same.

    When I mentioned F4 glass, I was referring to 500 or 600mm primes...Currently I don't have much money tied up in lenses and this is another reason I'm considering a switch, before I invest in one or both PF lenses. I may wait a while to see about the z9 and the A9ii and compare. It just seems that it might take Nikon a while to catch up and I ain't getting any younger.
    Thanks for the input!
    No idea what settings the Sony has but from your description of what you want to do you could check if it has anything like the Pro-Captur setting on my Olympus, basicly it starts saving frames the moment you half press the shutter ( you set how many) when you press the shutter it saves as many after as you set.
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  6. #36
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@sabor View Post
    Seriously considering moving to Sony. My photos are starting to sell more and customers are wanting larger prints so I was all set on the D850.

    I am noticing that it seems Nikon is slowly abandoning DSLRs in favor of mirrorless. Most Youtube photography channels are saying the DSLR is the past.

    The mirrorless offerings by Nikon seem pretty decent but Sony has such a head start. Sony's video autofocus is superior and from time to time I do shoot a little video for facebook and youtube.

    I want silent shooting also. I want more FPS for wildlife action. Sony even has the new 200-600mm at a decent price. I'm waiting to hear the specs for the A9ii but, the A7Riv has incredible specs and 61 MP. In crop mode it has 26 MP. I would rather have the A9 because of the no blackout shutter.

    There used to be several reasons Sony wouldn't work for me...I think they have solved all the old issues I had...

    Change my mind, if you can.
    I'm not here to change your mind, but;

    The notion to sell your DSLR because it is a fading tech is not a reason to sell what you have right now. This aligns with the brainwashing Nikon instills with their marketing. Somehow, automagically 2-3 year old cameras are now obsolete and no longer result in good photos. Buy the newest! Buy the greatest!


    The only two reasons to sell what you have are 1: It isn't doing what you want it to do and not producing the end result you want. 2: The equipment is aging and repairs will cost more than it is worth.

    The D500 is a beast and the D7200 is no slouch.
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  7. #37
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by carguy View Post
    I'm not here to change your mind, but;

    The notion to sell your DSLR because it is a fading tech is not a reason to sell what you have right now. This aligns with the brainwashing Nikon instills with their marketing. Somehow, automagically 2-3 year old cameras are now obsolete and no longer result in good photos. Buy the newest! Buy the greatest!


    The only two reasons to sell what you have are 1: It isn't doing what you want it to do and not producing the end result you want. 2: The equipment is aging and repairs will cost more than it is worth.

    The D500 is a beast and the D7200 is no slouch.
    I have no plans to sell my D500 or my compatible lenses. I would definitely like to sell my dust gathering but excellent, D7200.
    Thanks!
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  8. #38
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@sabor View Post
    When I mentioned F4 glass, I was referring to 500 or 600mm primes...Currently I don't have much money tied up in lenses and this is another reason I'm considering a switch, before I invest in one or both PF lenses. I may wait a while to see about the z9 and the A9ii and compare. It just seems that it might take Nikon a while to catch up and I ain't getting any younger.
    Thanks for the input!
    Chris I am just going to chime in one more time. In regards to your waiting to see how the A9II and the Z9, (if there is one in the near future) compare.

    If I had listened to the reviews of Tony and Chelsea Northrop, The Angry Photographer, Fro Photo, and a half a dozen others that slammed the Z6 and Z7 I would have never bought. In stead I listened to a friend of mine that shoots similar things to me that bought a Z7 and that, along with other less infamous influencers reviewed the Z series cameras.

    What I learned about these "professional" reviewers took no time to get familiar with the camera. Tony and Chelsea complained about the white balance and had no idea that there were three Auto WB settings and when they sent out the video on how to set up the menus they blew it. Half the recommendations were wrong. None of them know how to aquire a start point when using tracking in a cluttered scene, but it is different and in the manual.

    Now Fro has walked his position back and likes the Z cameras almost begrudgingly. The Angry Photographer still hates the camera but claims he never trashed the image output. Many of the others, including some Sony folks, speak much better about the Z cameras. The thing is the Z cameras operate a bit differently than the Nikon DSLRs. Those of us that took the time to work with them love them. I could not be happier than I am with my Z6. I am able to capture my dog running toward me and I could not do that with the D700 or 7200. It is no D500 but right now it is the best body I have ever owned and keeps getting better with each firmware update because Nikon seems to be listening to owners.

    If you chose to wait rent the bodies and try them out. They are amazing. I have seen some amazing wild life shot with the Z6 and Z7. I do know what you mean about shutter count though. That is part of the reason I can capture Jersey Girl with my Z6 . I just keep it on 10 FPS.
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  9. #39
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    Chris I am just going to chime in one more time. In regards to your waiting to see how the A9II and the Z9, (if there is one in the near future) compare.

    If I had listened to the reviews of Tony and Chelsea Northrop, The Angry Photographer, Fro Photo, and a half a dozen others that slammed the Z6 and Z7 I would have never bought. In stead I listened to a friend of mine that shoots similar things to me that bought a Z7 and that, along with other less infamous influencers reviewed the Z series cameras.

    What I learned about these "professional" reviewers took no time to get familiar with the camera. Tony and Chelsea complained about the white balance and had no idea that there were three Auto WB settings and when they sent out the video on how to set up the menus they blew it. Half the recommendations were wrong. None of them know how to aquire a start point when using tracking in a cluttered scene, but it is different and in the manual.

    Now Fro has walked his position back and likes the Z cameras almost begrudgingly. The Angry Photographer still hates the camera but claims he never trashed the image output. Many of the others, including some Sony folks, speak much better about the Z cameras. The thing is the Z cameras operate a bit differently than the Nikon DSLRs. Those of us that took the time to work with them love them. I could not be happier than I am with my Z6. I am able to capture my dog running toward me and I could not do that with the D700 or 7200. It is no D500 but right now it is the best body I have ever owned and keeps getting better with each firmware update because Nikon seems to be listening to owners.

    If you chose to wait rent the bodies and try them out. They are amazing. I have seen some amazing wild life shot with the Z6 and Z7. I do know what you mean about shutter count though. That is part of the reason I can capture Jersey Girl with my Z6 . I just keep it on 10 FPS.
    Totally Agree! They were all very "hard" on the Z series which I still don't fully understand.

    Question for you; Are you getting 10 FPS in continuous autofocus? I have read that the actual frame rate is much slower...
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    Re: Talk me out of switching to Sony.

    Talk me out of switching to Sony.
    Some great osprey image moments just after 4 min in

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