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  1. #21
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    Quote Originally Posted by spb_stan View Post
    This was expected eventually because XQD is 4 pipes, streams, which the CFExpress is 4 and 8 pipes in two versions, type A and type B
    So older Nikons will likely be updated with firmware for XQD cameras for Type A only but all newer cameras will be compatible with Type B
    Sony will not leave the card market, they have announced 1700mb/s CFExpress.

    Sony uses the XQD in their pro video cameras...and it is interesting to note none use 2 slots...because it was designed to be extremely reliable and it is. They have reported after millions made, only 1 failed. The differences are vast, not only are the contacts of a design that are protected and superior connections. They are also more like error detection/error correction buses based on the super reliable PCIe+ architecture.

    SD cards are essentially a solid state 5.25-inch floppy disk, the with the same dumb bus system without any error detection. The hysteria over the lack of two cards shows the tech is too complex for Youtube photo gurus to understand. I unsubscribe to any channels that promote that nonsense.
    The Z cameras are the only bodies on the market that can use the full capability of the 8 pipe CFExpress and expect a future update that allowed ProRes RAW to card capability, unavailable on any camera less than $25,000. It is not an option with current Sony a7/a9 architecture and surely not Canon.
    Nikon was ridiculed for its tag line of "Future Proof" cameras when the Z was announced and the Youtube gurus were pretty vocal about how Nikon was leasing a bad camera. A lot of them staked their reputation on those claims but it was a case of lack of insight, understanding, and vision. They made fun of the S lenses for being too expensive for cheap plastic lenses but later the testing revealed each was the sharpest corner to corner wide open than any other lenses. The 50 is the sharpest lens period and the 24-70 embarrasses the expensive 24-70 2.8 G and E versions in corner-to-corner sharpness, contrast, color, and flare resistance. The announced 2.8 version will be a killer.
    The May software update is not a bug fix but a feature addition and Nikon has hinted that the policy of adding features will be a core advantage of the future proofing the Z cameras. The hardware is essentially a blank slate of a tough body, and quality sensor and EVF and everything else is a computer that can be configured to anything the manufacturer would like to add or change. Want better AF? Keep improving the software, it is not limited by the hardware like in a mirrored camera, what more control options, no problem, just write a bit of code and add it to the next feature update. This means unlike the Sony which is built as and treated as a disposable camera, the Z cameras are viable for the next decade, it is certainly built to last.
    Sony might switch their production facilities to the CFExpress soon but there will still be a good supply since XQD is still the only available pro grade card.
    Due to the obvious advantage of pro cards, SD will not be around much longer in any serious cameras. No "pro" camera will have SD in the next releases.
    Thanks for the explanation of the CF Express and the XQD cards. I understood the speed differences, but not how. That 40K foot view was just enough for me.

    I also appreciate the comments on the Z camera. I just got mine and love it, and was struggling with all the bad press. I love the 24-70 f4 and I am happy with the systems for focus. I am also anxiously awaiting the May software update. The explanation you gave on the "blank slate" platform makes sense. I struggle with following some things that used to come easily to me... stuff happens. This was helpful. Thanks.


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  2. #22
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbrent View Post
    Since I don't do much sports or action photography, but mostly landscape, I consider it a downgrade!
    You can consider a horse a zebra because you don't ride one but it doesn't make it so.
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    Jake

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  3. #23
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    The D7200 is an excellent all-rounder and price that is just right for many. It is, in decent light it has a bit better DR at low ISO so for portraits and landscape is might be a better choice. But the D500 is far better on AF, and JPG processing that allows the camera to be very good in high ISO/low light scenes. It is also pro-level weather sealing, and shutter endurance so overall, for many the D500 is worth the difference that its newer version Expeed processor makes, and higher build quality. Both are perfect for a wide overlapping set of users. I would prefer the D500 however since it fits more of what I would find helpful. It is a good match as a lighter smaller action camera paired with a d810/600 but might not be such a valued pairing with the D850 which has a great AF system. The only real advantage for this latter shooter would be longer reach with telephoto lenses. The D850 can have the pixel density in DX mode that would negate that advantage of the D850. I have a D800 and considered the D500 but added a D850 and Z6 so I feel pretty full of camera goodness now.
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  4. #24
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    Good point about the pixel density in crop mode.
    "Remember to gaze up at the night sky because there is a little bit of the cosmos in each of us."


    Um yeahhhh, I shoot a lot of pics of my dogs.
    D500 (DOB 05/26/17), D300, D80, SB-800. RIP-D100

  5. #25
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    XQD Card cancelled.
    Quote Originally Posted by wade7575 View Post
    Thanks for the link. Jared likes to blather on and on and insert funny clips into his vids. I think of him more as entertainment than an information sourse. He is right about the CFexpress cards in the long term, I suspect. In the meantime, Sony and Delkin are making XQD cards and I'm sure they will be for a while, at least until CFexpress cards are really on the market and at a price point that is competitive.
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  6. #26
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    Well, this thread has become confusing. It isn't supposed to be a camera shoot-out.

    I am satisfied that as of this moment, XQD is still in production. I don't need the size or speed of the CFexpress cards, and don't wish to pay the price for them either. By the time I have no choice, meaning all XQD cards in the world are non functional or sold out, I will have moved on to a lighter camera due to my increasing age, which isn't that far off considering I now have 2 injured shoulders and am half crippled these days from stiff joints. OY
    "Remember to gaze up at the night sky because there is a little bit of the cosmos in each of us."


    Um yeahhhh, I shoot a lot of pics of my dogs.
    D500 (DOB 05/26/17), D300, D80, SB-800. RIP-D100

  7. #27
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    There will be three different sizes of CFexpress memory cards

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  8. #28
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    Is the assumption that the firmware upgrades will allow compatibility of either card or is it going to be one-or-the-other affair?
    Jake

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  9. #29
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorHippie View Post
    Is the assumption that the firmware upgrades will allow compatibility of either card or is it going to be one-or-the-other affair?
    Trust you to ask that

    I just thought one or the other but you raise a valid question.
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  10. #30
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    Re: XQD Card cancelled.

    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorHippie View Post
    Is the assumption that the firmware upgrades will allow compatibility of either card or is it going to be one-or-the-other affair?
    I've been wondering the same thing.

    At first I was thinking, "Surely the CFE firmware update will include backward-compatibility with XQD, if for no other reason than to prevent leaving the current crop of XQD card holders flapping in the wind."

    Then I remind myself this is Nikon we're talking about...
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