Ring or Regular Flash for Me?

Lautermilch

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I am getting a used Nikon D300 shortly and want to get back into shooting models. My last Nikon died a fitting death of shutter use since I used so much.

Anyway, I am only shooting 50mm.

For the kind of images I am doing what will be the best fill flash for bright sunlight: a ring or regular?

Examples shots and my offer to models.
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Moab Man

Senior Member
I'm going to assume you mean a ring flash around the lens. Get a regular flash that is compatible with HSS and get the flash off the camera. You can then mount it for off camera, put in in a soft box, beauty dish, etc.

If the ring flash is what I'm thinking, on the lens, no never.
 

Lautermilch

Senior Member
I'm going to assume you mean a ring flash around the lens. Get a regular flash that is compatible with HSS and get the flash off the camera. You can then mount it for off camera, put in in a soft box, beauty dish, etc.

If the ring flash is what I'm thinking, on the lens, no never.

I disguise myself as a tourist when on Miami Beach to get left alone so it has to be on the camera. I pick a spot, start shooing, any unwanted attention and I am the model leave for another spot and then return.
I did this collection when in Miami Beach standing next to security. Anyone looking 'pro' as in external flashes, 200mm, got chased away.
Miami Beach Dancers - Dean Lautermilch
I do know my rights and stand up for them but not when I have a newbie model with me.
 

WayneF

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I agree with Moab Man. Ring flash might be used for scientific close up work of specimens, but for portraits, no, never.

One definition of the word "modeling" is to show a 3D shape on a 2D surface. Photographers use lighting to create subtle shadows, or gradient shadows, across the face of portraits, to show curves and shape of the subject. A light on the lens axis is a flat light, used for the purpose of hiding all such modeling shadows. A speedlight (unless bounced) is on the camera too, but at least it is about six inches above the lens, and can contribute slight shadows, hardly good, but better. The standard lighting goal is off camera. Off camera is an angle that intentionally produces the shadows. Then we add a weak on-axis light as a fill light, to weaken the shadows (to NOT be be dark or harsh), but NOT to fully remove the intentional shadow shading. The coiled hot shoe extension cords are made to hold a speedlight at arms length, to create some modeling shadows.

It is good to understand the point of lighting portraits. Look at your first link above. Look at the faces. Notice the lighting (that's what photographers do). On the good ones, notice how one side of face is lighted slightly differently than the other (names of the lighting is Short and Broad). This is the entire point, intentional and planned, and is a very good thing.

Ring flashes cause the opposite of that, flat, featureless, uninteresting.
 
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Moab Man

Senior Member
I disguise myself as a tourist when on Miami Beach to get left alone so it has to be on the camera. I pick a spot, start shooing, any unwanted attention and I am the model leave for another spot and then return.
I did this collection when in Miami Beach standing next to security. Anyone looking 'pro' as in external flashes, 200mm, got chased away.
Miami Beach Dancers - Dean Lautermilch
I do know my rights and stand up for them but not when I have a newbie model with me.


You have a painful dilemma. Any light straight on will cause a flat look and wash out any features.
 

Lautermilch

Senior Member

Blacktop

Senior Member
I have been watching the new TV series "Lucifer" and the guy that takes pictures of dead bodies at murder scenes always uses a ring flash. So that might work in that scenario.
 
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