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  1. #31
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    Re: Starting a serie - first image

    You don't get to pick and choose what kind of critique you get, @wud.

    If you only want affirmation and pats on the back, then don't post in the critique section. As I said before, I don't give two sh#ts what direction you take with this project. Only that as-is, there is no direction. If you have to explain what the photos are about, then you have failed. It doesn't get anymore cut and dried than that. No one cares how you work. No one cares what goes on behind the scenes. No one cares about the production crew, the caterer, or what kind of gas you put in your car on the drive over to the set. No one cares if your poured heart and soul into it, or if you just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

    All that matters is the image.

    What you have is an up in the air project with a few sample shots that may or may not be in line with your sort-of creative vision. That's it. And you expect us (or at least me) to fall into line and only offer up opinions on what you have checked off on your list as acceptable. I can't decide if your ego is bruised, or if you genuinely don't understand what it is I'm trying to convey here. Maybe this time I'll try going with an analogy:

    You are showing us a few spare parts in the corner of your garage and are asking what we think of your 1967 Mustang. Yup, I know what that is supposed to look like. I get that you're undecided if you want Cherry Red or Electric Blue. I get that you have the capability of pulling it all off in the end, but right now, I just don't see it. There are too many missing components. I can't get past that there are only a few spare parts in the corner. The gap from A-Z is too large.

    You want critique on technical merits? Gravy. The crop is slightly too tight, the posing could be more natural and interesting, and the lighting is at least 1/2 stop underexposed. Definitely needs a bit of fill lighting, or at least a bounce flash to highlight the top of the heads. Your lighting is very directional, and considering the context of laying in bed, lighting doesn't typically fall that way naturally. That being said, I like the hard contrast and grittiness. It adds to the value of your intended message. In particular, I want to see more of them. Bare chests (men), nite gowns, possibly even breasts if your female subjects are daring enough. The covers are pulled up a bit too far, especially on him since no arms are exposed. Leaves the impression that he's just a floating head.


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                          • #32
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                            Re: Starting a serie - first image

                            Quote Originally Posted by Browncoat View Post
                            No one cares what goes on behind the scenes. No one cares about the production crew, the caterer, or what kind of gas you put in your car on the drive over to the set. No one cares if your poured heart and soul into it, or if you just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
                            *I* care. Speak for yourself, but do NOT speak for me.

                            wud, I highly doubt you will find writers who know every word, scene, and action that will get penned into their stories before they are written. Back when people used typewriters, it was common to see a photo of an author sitting at a typewriter with wads of crumpled up paper on the floor. Those wads of paper represented the number of times a writer started over and over. Like anything worth doing, quite often we need to adjust our sails to steer the boat...and you are doing just that. Keep it up, and those of us who are behind you will keep pulling for you. And those who don't like it can let the ol' Browncoat speak for them if they wish.
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                          • #33
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                            Re: Starting a serie - first image

                            I think the photo looks like two photos put together and there's no emotion. It would have more empathy had they at least have been looking at each other.
                            I like the tonality you've got though. Good idea.
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                            I get something a little different each time I look at these pictures. The man looks equally annoyed and amused to me. The first woman looks a little bothered by this intrusion into her personal life, and in the second she looks sad and thoughtful at the same time.

                            But, as I said, these images look different to me each time.
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                            Re: Starting a serie - first image

                            Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
                            *I* care. Speak for yourself, but do NOT speak for me.

                            wud, I highly doubt you will find writers who know every word, scene, and action that will get penned into their stories before they are written. Back when people used typewriters, it was common to see a photo of an author sitting at a typewriter with wads of crumpled up paper on the floor. Those wads of paper represented the number of times a writer started over and over. Like anything worth doing, quite often we need to adjust our sails to steer the boat...and you are doing just that. Keep it up, and those of us who are behind you will keep pulling for you. And those who don't like it can let the ol' Browncoat speak for them if they wish.
                            Did you keep a straight face when putting all of that together? Because I'm not buying it. You're being speculative, and it's a weak point that you didn't manage to expound on. You're going to sit there and tell me that you care a single iota when reading a story where it came from in previous drafts? "Gee, was this character's name always Isabella, maybe she started out as Clara? With black hair instead of blonde. Was this always set in the south? Was Vader always written to be Luke's father?" And that somehow adds to your enjoyment of the story or makes it complete?

                            Sure, as photographers we can all appreciate and identify with the process, and the struggles of. We can look in the catchlights of the eyes and get a feel for the behind the scenes stuff. But at the end of the day, when the chips are down, none of it matters.
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                            I can't believe anyone's wasting their time on this series. Hardly worth the words.
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                            Re: Starting a serie - first image

                            Quote Originally Posted by Browncoat View Post
                            Did you keep a straight face when putting all of that together? Because I'm not buying it. You're being speculative, and it's a weak point that you didn't manage to expound on.
                            In a nutshell, yes, I care and I had a straight face. I am surprised you'd even think otherwise. I care about the process that wud is going through and the pains she is taking trying to figure all of this out...perhaps some of us will even learn a thing or two from what she is doing; however, if people don't give a rats arse about the process, then they might miss any lesson that may come out of it.
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                            Re: Starting a serie - first image

                            Sometimes things that seem like a splendid idea in your head actually turn out to be complete idiocy. But its not until you take a leap of faith and put your ideas into practice that you can really know if they will work. There is a fine line between genius and getting hospitalised because your homemade Spiderman suit fails at the last minute.......


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                            Re: Starting a serie - first image

                            Some of the posts in this thread are getting a little edgy for my liking and I'm flat out telling some of you to dial back the rhetoric. Yes, this is a critique forum and while critique should be critical, it should also be supportive. It's not always a matter of *what* you say, it's a matter of *how* you say it.

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