DSLR use in Pro Video to Plummet

will Nikon and Canon go back to focusing more on still photography features and less on video?

It still feels much like an afterthought to me. The video quality is good due to the sensor and the glass, but the actual handling of these as video cameras has been and still is dreadful. Hard to believe either one is focusing on this.
 

rocketman122

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sony is doing a killer job with the A7 lineup. from what I see , if nikon and canon dont push the DSLR to 4k, it will be a downfall. there are many who shoot with the panasonic 4/3 cameras GH2/3/4 and now the 7. but nothing gives excellent image quality for high iso like a ff camera. that A7s is just an astonishing camera for high iso at weddings. I know a videographer who regularly shoots at iso 20k on the dance floor with it.
stills though, the camera sucks azs. the new a7II and stabilization is just amazing.

I tell you the truth though, petapixel has been posting a lot crap recently and its basically to get controversial comments for more ratings and followers. theyre credit score in my book has come down a lot. I hardly ever visit their website.
 

cbay

Senior Member
It seems as though much of the photography community views video as a bonus feature that is not needed; so i guess i'm an outcast in that i enjoy it and the quality is great to me. I don't use it much, but do collect footage from time to time and plan to eventually put it together and hopefully tell a wonderful story.
Would be interesting to see if a high end dslr came out with no video features how sales would perform compared to others with video. Maybe they already have on i'm not aware of.
 
Yes, the A7R II is a beast. But I thought we were talking DSLR's, which seem by design, to have severe issues with auto focus (among other things). I couldn't imagine taking video with one of these at a wedding or sports event, but I am happy with the video from Nikon's current lineup for fixed focus, still framed scenes and smooth pans. They've had a long time to get the video handling right, but have failed (and so has Canon). My feeling is there must be some inherent challenges in current DSLR design, or they simply don't care enough to make it a priority.

If cost is no barrier, the mirrorless designs from Sony are becoming the way to go. Both body and available glass are spectacular (but for many $ thousands for a well rounded kit). Prices need to come down though as DSLR is still the better buy in low to mid range.

And my feeling is Nikon is focusing on lower end. What you get in their new entry level DSLRs is spectacular, and almost every ad I see is for the entry level stuff. I think this is a very smart thing to do (scale back on features; not image quality). Folks disappointed in the image quality of their first real camera are not likely to delve further into the platform down the road. But if they're thrilled, many will upgrade and add on.

As for 4k... hard for me to get as excited about it as the TV industry would like me to. Most folks won't see all those new pixels given the average screen size and viewing distance in most homes. But it will attract the HT geeks and projector heads. it's kind of a yawn for me if the whole thing still looks crushed on both ends. I'd love to see a new HDR standard for 1080p content that would be more easily delivered than 4k, but I don't think that will happen.
 

RocketCowboy

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I'm shot video at a couple of events (speaker/workshop type events) and used the D5300 simply because it was the second camera body that I had with me. I still don't like the 20 minute recording limit, but overall agree that it seems like a compromise to me.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Yes, the A7R II is a beast. But I thought we were talking DSLR's, which seem by design, to have severe issues with auto focus (among other things). I couldn't imagine taking video with one of these at a wedding or sports event, but I am happy with the video from Nikon's current lineup for fixed focus, still framed scenes and smooth pans. They've had a long time to get the video handling right, but have failed (and so has Canon). My feeling is there must be some inherent challenges in current DSLR design, or they simply don't care enough to make it a priority.

If cost is no barrier, the mirrorless designs from Sony are becoming the way to go. Both body and available glass are spectacular (but for many $ thousands for a well rounded kit). Prices need to come down though as DSLR is still the better buy in low to mid range.

And my feeling is Nikon is focusing on lower end. What you get in their new entry level DSLRs is spectacular, and almost every ad I see is for the entry level stuff. I think this is a very smart thing to do (scale back on features; not image quality). Folks disappointed in the image quality of their first real camera are not likely to delve further into the platform down the road. But if they're thrilled, many will upgrade and add on.

As for 4k... hard for me to get as excited about it as the TV industry would like me to. Most folks won't see all those new pixels given the average screen size and viewing distance in most homes. But it will attract the HT geeks and projector heads. it's kind of a yawn for me if the whole thing still looks crushed on both ends. I'd love to see a new HDR standard for 1080p content that would be more easily delivered than 4k, but I don't think that will happen.

yes, I too agree. Im not saying nikon has to do this now. I think 4k is way too early. in fact for weddings, the couples dont even get true 1080p/bluray. hardly any editor has one because the couple dont ask and dont know. were talking about 5%, maybe 7 who have a BR player at home and the quality is very good in mkv or whatever the hell they output too. 4k is not now. at least another 2 year period before it will be needed for weddings. the tv industry pushes it, but when u ask the couples what 4k is, no one knows WTH it is. an investment in pc hardware just to deal wih the huge files. it has some way to go. and 4k isnt aesthetic when shooting the bride in closeup. you see every pore and heavy caked on foundation she has on. it really isnt pleasing.

nikon finally woke up with the d810/750. they have nice tools inside that were needed a long time ago. they now have a good codec inside as well. imo, sony is leading currently, canon is up at bat and will deliver the 5d4 soon. they are the dominant camera used by most videographers at weddings today. nikon needs to get into it too. I see so many sell their nikon gear to move to canon for video. theres a huge demand for good dslr videographers. they make more than stills. there are not stop posts on a FB group im on where people are always looking for one. its why I want to do video as well. nonstop work. I can double my income.

I love the look of dslr video thats like stills. the selective focus the low light capability to capture things in a natural way, compared to the older style shoulder cams which need tons of light. the style of shooting is also different. with dslr wedding videogs shoot short clips. theyre not walking and recording for 20 minutes footages. they shoot a minute here, three there. moving with their monopod or stabilization system, recording and then again. its a different kind of mindset of filming then it was.
@RocketCowboy D5300 is a fantastic camera. stop bitching. :D it only takes but a split second to record, stop, record and you do it when you sense there is a break somewhere. videographers do it all the time when shooting the wedding ceremony. you handhold yours or monopod/tripod?
 

RocketCowboy

Senior Member
@RocketCowboy D5300 is a fantastic camera. stop bitching. :D it only takes but a split second to record, stop, record and you do it when you sense there is a break somewhere. videographers do it all the time when shooting the wedding ceremony. you handhold yours or monopod/tripod?

I've been using the D5300 on a tripod. My intent was to set and forget the D5300 shooting video, and get candids with the D7100, but that did not work out since I needed to manage the video segments. Would have worked if I had had an assistant to manage the video side of things. In the grand scheme of things, it would have worked out better if I had captured audio to an external recorder, so that the audio was consistent and then I could transition between video and slides throughout the length of the presentation. The next time, I'll also take an audio feed from the in-room system (using wireless lapel mics) into the recording as well for better audio quality.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Really. Why? Everything I have seen online shows the same slow, overshooting, autofocus in the Canons as well... plus the video looks soft to me compared to the Nikons.

well nikon woke up recently with the d750/810. there wasnt anything good till now. so thats what VDSLR guys shoot with. canon is a video camera co as well. the 5D3 is an old camera and I think they will leapfrog nikon quite a bit with video. no videog I know uses autofucs in video shooting. never actually. its all manual. and again, the D750/810 is better than the 5d3 but they just recently released it.

you can find very nice mp3 records to get closer to the source. usually they have 2. one to get to the source and another that records from dj source
 
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