would you say something?

rocketman122

Senior Member
would you say something? need your opinion asap please.

there is this person selling a 17-35 AFS lens that has a lens squeak issue. the person noted "the squeak doesnt affect the performance"

now as a person who bought a 28-70 AFS used from someone (who said there is no squeak) and had the lens squeak and sent it out of country for repair after it died within 2 months or so, im having a bit of problem with this. the person is dumping the lens knowing a squeaking lens is the beginning of the end of the motor. sometimes its just the bearings, sometimes the whole thing goes. but repair has jumped since nikon usa doesnt repair it.

nikon US doesnt repair this lens anymore and im not certain but maybe japan does. it was a bit of beaurocracy fight to send the lens out and get it back without paying customs but there arent many options who really know how to repair this.

would you just mind your business, or say something?
 
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weebee

Senior Member
The seller noted that there is a squeak and it doesn't effect performance. He/she is being honest. It would be up to the buyer to determine where this may lead. I wouldn't touch it. So, that being said, the seller may or not know the impending failure. But, the seller is being accurate with the description. As always though, buyer beware and research and ask questions.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Thanks weebee. I guess the reason why its bothering me is because I got screwed and want to let others know that the lens will have to be repaired down the line.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
Thanks weebee. I guess the reason why its bothering me is because I got screwed and want to let others know that the lens will have to be repaired down the line.

You got screwed because your seller never mentioned the squeak. This one however is being upfront. If i was interested in this lens, then I would do some investigating and researching on squeaky lenses.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
You got screwed because your seller never mentioned the squeak. This one however is being upfront. If i was interested in this lens, then I would do some investigating and researching on squeaky lenses.


the person who has this lens is dumping it because of the squeak. and thats an issue of ethics and integrity. they know the motor is dying and they need to sell it asap and collect money. when I got it and found out it was going to die, I didnt pass it to someone else and say, doesnt affect performance.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
the person who has this lens is dumping it because of the squeak. and thats an issue of ethics and integrity. they know the motor is dying and they need to sell it asap and collect money. when I got it and found out it was going to die, I didnt pass it to someone else and say, doesnt affect performance.


What I'm saying is that this person is upfront about the squeak. he may or may not know that the lens is dying. It's up to the buyer to investigate what happens when a lens squeaks.

If I was to sell you a car, and tell you that the engine is knocking, would you buy it without further looking into what causes engine knock?
 

Deleted

Senior Member
As I understand the squeak may not affect performance right this moment, but it will affect the performance in the future. He didn't specify only optical performance. I believe the seller is therefore not completely honest in the description with the intent of misleading a buyer who is not well informed.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
I believe the seller is therefore not completely honest



Yes he is absolutely and completely honest. He says. Hey!! This lens SQUEAKS!

It's not the sellers responsibility to make sure that the buyer is completely educated on the subject of squeaky lenses.

If I tell you that my car was in a fire, then it was in a flood, and you still want to buy it, am I ripping you off?
I can't help it if you can't do a simple Google search to find out that a burned out car that was in a flood is not going to run right.:rolleyes:
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Yes he is absolutely and completely honest. He says. Hey!! This lens SQUEAKS!

It's not the sellers responsibility to make sure that the buyer is completely educated on the subject of squeaky lenses.

If I tell you that my car was in a fire, then it was in a flood, and you still want to buy it, am I ripping you off?
I can't help it if you can't do a simple Google search to find out that a burned out car that was in a flood is not going to run right.:rolleyes:

the problem is that most people who would buy it dont know that the "slight squeak but doesnt affect performance" will cost $600 and will need to be shipped to japan. basically costing you 85% of the lens.

most people dont know what a "squeak" means. the person didnt say the SWMotor is squeaking. the lens has a little squeak. I just want to know how youd feel BT after gettingt he lens or anything you bought and finding out youd have to put out 85% of the price in repair.
 
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Blacktop

Senior Member
the problem is that most people who would buy it dont know that the "slight squeak but doesnt affect performance" will cost $600 and will need to be shipped to japan. basically costing you 85% of the lens.

most people dont know what a "squeak" means. the person didnt say the SWMotor is squeaking. the lens has a little squeak. I just want to know how youd feel BT after gettingt he lens or anything you bought and finding out youd have to put out 85% of the price in repair.

Ok, let me see if I understand this.
You are telling me that someone is going to drop a 1000 bucks on a lens, and just take the sellers word that the squeak is not going to affect performance?

I would hope people still have some common sense left in this world.
 

FastGlass

Senior Member
If I'm in the market to buy a lens. One that makes noise wouldn't even be an option. I agree with Blacktop. The person buying the lens knows there is a squeak. If he or she wants to gamble on it's performance at the time of the sale till something does happen it's up to them. No one can be certain the seller knows how serious the squeak can be so it's up to the buyer. Rocketman if you know someone interested, then inform them about the potential issues. What else can anyone do?
 

Dave_W

The Dude
The 17-35mm f/2.8 lens is one of the few lenses that is a documented "squeaker" and the seller is correct, the squeak on this lens really doesn't affect its performance. The cost of repair runs around $175 (quote from Kurts Camera Repair in SD) and consists of replacing the barrel mechanism. However, this is the only lens I know of for whom the squeak in benign, any other lens that squeaks, such as the 28-70mm, is a very bad thing and should be avoided.

One of the strong points of the 17-35mm f/2.8, and unlike the 14-24mm f/2.8, is its ability to use normal filter systems. Something I didn't fully appreciate when I purchased my 14-24mm.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Ok, let me see if I understand this.
You are telling me that someone is going to drop a 1000 bucks on a lens, and just take the sellers word that the squeak is not going to affect performance?

I would hope people still have some common sense left in this world.

hope all you want. many people dont know any better and a sucker is born a dime a dozen. youre naive if ou think that everyone does research and even understand what a squeak means. look at the newbies here who dont know what an afd or afs is.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
hope all you want. many people dont know any better and a sucker is born a dime a dozen. youre naive if ou think that everyone does research and even understand what a squeak means. look at the newbies here who dont know what an afd or afs is.

Yes, but those are not the people that are going to drop a grand on a lens. I'm going back to editing my newest HDR picture now. :rolleyes:
Look for it soon at your nearest HDR thread.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
If I'm in the market to buy a lens. One that makes noise wouldn't even be an option. I agree with Blacktop. The person buying the lens knows there is a squeak. If he or she wants to gamble on it's performance at the time of the sale till something does happen it's up to them. No one can be certain the seller knows how serious the squeak can be so it's up to the buyer. Rocketman if you know someone interested, then inform them about the potential issues. What else can anyone do?

I wanted to add a post saying that those who dont know what a squeak means is saying the lens will need repair and this repair is expensive and will cost about 85% of the lens. let others know what the squeak means.

The 17-35mm f/2.8 lens is one of the few lenses that is a documented "squeaker" and the seller is correct, the squeak on this lens really doesn't affect its performance. The cost of repair runs around $175 (quote from Kurts Camera Repair in SD) and consists of replacing the barrel mechanism. However, this is the only lens I know of for whom the squeak in benign, any other lens that squeaks, such as the 28-70mm, is a very bad thing and should be avoided.

One of the strong points of the 17-35mm f/2.8, and unlike the 14-24mm f/2.8, is its ability to use normal filter systems. Something I didn't fully appreciate when I purchased my 14-24mm.

the 3 first gen SWM lenses 17-35 28-70 80-200 had the same design. they all use the same components. dave, after going through with the repair and speaking with daniel from NRC in taiwan I became a lot more informed of the components. there is no less or more. they are all n the same level when it comes to durability. actually the squeak does very much affect performance. im letting you know that what you read from others is not correct. from someone who had a squeaking 28-70 lens, the performance is affected. the AF becomes sluggish. and slowly deteriorates over time, till it simply stops working.

nikon melville USA doesnt do this repair anymore (first gen SWM) aps might, but it will cost between $400-800 depending who you try. people know there arent many who can repair this as its very hard to get parts for this and thus prices jumped. the only option is nikon japan. I sent it to NRC in taiwan. did a fabulous job but cost me a few pesos. this guy is a pro on SWM
NRC in Taiwan

https://translate.google.com/transl...E6%B3%A2%E9%A6%AC%E9%81%94&edit-text=&act=url

there is no better or worse when it comes to the SWM in the first gen trio.

bottom line is I see it as integrity and ethics. many people dont know the difference between an AFD and AFS but buy expensive gear. we are experienced here so we know but there are many who dont.
 

Dave_W

The Dude
the 3 first gen SWM lenses 17-35 28-70 80-200 had the same design. they all use the same components. dave, after going through with the repair and speaking with daniel from NRC in taiwan I became a lot more informed of the components. there is no less or more. they are all n the same level when it comes to durability. actually the squeak does very much affect performance. im letting you know that what you read from others is not correct. from someone who had a squeaking 28-70 lens, the performance is affected. the AF becomes sluggish. and slowly deteriorates over time, till it simply stops working.

nikon melville USA doesnt do this repair anymore (first gen SWM) aps might, but it will cost between $400-800 depending who you try. people know there arent many who can repair this as its very hard to get parts for this and thus prices jumped. the only option is nikon japan. I sent it to NRC in taiwan. did a fabulous job but cost me a few pesos. this guy is a pro on SWM
NRC in Taiwan

https://translate.google.com/transl...E6%B3%A2%E9%A6%AC%E9%81%94&edit-text=&act=url

there is no better or worse when it comes to the SWM in the first gen trio.

bottom line is I see it as integrity and ethics. many people dont know the difference between an AFD and AFS but buy expensive gear. we are experienced here so we know but there are many who dont.

Interesting info and good to know. In my experience only the 17-35mm was known to squeak and the few 17-25mm lenses that I've encountered seemed to still be working well. That said, the squeak was of enough concern that I didn't buy one (and am glad I didn't). As for the Kurt's quote, perhaps their pricing reflects being in the business for over 25 yrs and having accumulated lots of lens parts? But then again, that quote was from several years ago and would now be much higher? Regardless, I'm glad I came upon this thread.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Interesting info and good to know. In my experience only the 17-35mm was known to squeak and the few 17-25mm lenses that I've encountered seemed to still be working well. That said, the squeak was of enough concern that I didn't buy one (and am glad I didn't). As for the Kurt's quote, perhaps their pricing reflects being in the business for over 25 yrs and having accumulated lots of lens parts? But then again, that quote was from several years ago and would now be much higher? Regardless, I'm glad I came upon this thread.

yea Dave SWM parts are very scarce and prices jumped even just the last year. all are being directed to go to nikon japan. and the squeak does affect the performance. I remember when I was shooting weddings and it would work intermittently and at one wedding when I was on the dance floor, it stopped completely.. ironically, my friend handed me his 17-35 for the dance floor. price can be around $400 if its only the bearings. full motor replacement is $600. people take advantage of the lack of parts and prices jumped.

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skater

New member
You know, I have one of the infamous Ford F250s with the 6.0L Powerstroke engine, which is well known for having various issues. I did some research before buying it, but I thought the issues affected the earlier models, and by 2006, they had them pretty well resolved. Nope. Now we've dumped several thousand dollars into the engine and more to come. But one thing I don't do is blame the dealer I bought it from. They told me what engine was in it; it was up to me to know what I was buying.
 

aroy

Senior Member
Well you can always ask you Taiwan contact to give you an estimate of repairing the "squeak", and then factor that in if you are interested.

Buying pre owned equipment has its own downside, you win some but you may also lose some. If some one who buys expensive lenses does not do a due diligence, then it is their and not the sellers concern.
 
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