Do you think that, one day, the government will ban cameras?

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TedG954

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[h=1]U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Passes Semi-Auto and Private Sales Bans[/h]On March 12 and 14, the Senate Judiciary committee held two working sessions to deal with gun-related bills.

The result of those hearings was the passage of Sen. Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) S. 374, the "Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013"--which would criminalize virtually all private firearm sales, even temporary transfers--and Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (
:disgust: D-Calif.) S. 150, the "Assault Weapons Ban of 2013."

Both of these bills pose a direct threat to our Second Amendment rights and both were passed on party-line votes, with committee Democrats supporting the bills and all Republicans voting no.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) offered four amendments to the gun ban bill, each of which would have created exceptions to its sweeping ban on standard magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition and on countless models of detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic shotguns, and other guns. The amendments--designed to expose ban supporters’ disregard for even the most extraordinary self-defense needs--would have given special protection to domestic violence victims, persons with orders of protection against aggressors, residents of southwestern border counties and residents of rural areas. Sen. Cornyn argued that the one group Feinstein
:disgust: provides an exception for in her bill--retired law enforcement officers--are no more deserving of the exception than others who face unique threats. All four amendments were voted down along party lines.

The hearing on S. 150 also featured a terse exchange between pro-Second Amendment Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Feinstein
:disgust:. Sen. Cruz questioned Feinstein :disgust: if it would be proper for Congress to determine which books are appropriate for citizens to read, or which persons could be exempted from Fourth Amendment protections, as she wants to do regarding Second Amendment rights. Feinstein :disgust: became angry, scolding Cruz for daring to ask the questions.

Later, in an attempt to support the gun ban, Sen. Richard Blumenthal
:witless: (D-Conn.) made the false claim that "assault weapons" are "commonly" used by criminals, ignoring the reality that only 2.5% of murders involve rifles of any sort, much less those defined as "assault weapons". (Hands and feet are used more often.) Blumenthal’s :witless: assertion flies in the face of gun ban advocates’ repeated claim that a semi-auto ban is constitutional under the Heller decision, which said that commonly-owned arms are protected by the Second Amendment. With over 4 million AR-15s (alone) legally owned by law-abiding Americans, they are clearly commonly owned, yet still rarely used in crime.

Earlier in the week, the committee passed Sen. Schumer’s
:pirate: S. 374, which is an attack on all private gun sales. Under the guise of making improvements to the federal instant background check system, the bill also includes provisions to require all but a very few gun transfers to go through a dealer, and forcing dealers to keep records of each transfer. But the bill would go far beyond regulating actual gun sales; consider that all of the following situations (many of which were pointed out directly to Schumer by Prof. David Kopel in Senate testimony on a similar bill two years ago) would be illegal under S. 374:


  • Sharing a gun for self-defense anywhere outside the home, no matter how extreme the situation. For example, imagine that two women are driving at night and break down on a deserted road. The younger woman, whose handgun was in the car, walks a few miles to the nearest gas station. She gives her handgun to the older woman, so that the older woman can protect herself. That would be a "transfer" under S. 374, so not doing a background check through a dealer would be a federal crime. :mad:

  • Lending a friend your gun while the two of you go target shooting on a farm, on public land, or in any other informal setting that isn’t on a range owned by an incorporated conservation or marksmanship group. :mad:
  • Teaching an NRA firearms safety class or hunter safety class in a classroom. Despite anti-gunners’ attempt to wrap themselves in the flag of gun safety, and their efforts in some states and localities to pass mandatory training requirements, the bill has no exception for training classes that don’t occur on a range. :mad:
  • Lending a firearm to a friend for hunting in any location where hunting is not permitted. A person living in a suburban or urban area where no hunting is allowed would break the law if he lent a gun to a friend who was going to use it for hunting in a permissible area in the countryside. :mad:
During committee debate on this bill, Sen. Charles Grassley :applouse: (R-Iowa) took strong exception to the bill and listed some of its many flaws, making the case that the bill sets up gun registration as the likely next step should S. 374 become law.



 
I think that the NRA is going to win on most of these issues in the long run. The problem is that if we lose any ground at all it is just a slippery slope till more freedoms are lost. I know that the people on the forum that are not from the United States do not understand our fascination with our guns. Yes we enjoy our guns but it is really a deeper fear of more of our freedoms like speech and religion and what kind of camera we can own and shoot that we are really concerned with.

Every dictator has started by limiting guns for the safety of the citizens and then confiscation and then death to groups of citizens they feel are not worthy. (See Hitler)

So forgive us our little rants and try to understand this is not just about guns but ultimately about our Nikons.
 

STM

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This "government" of ours is trying to take over every other aspect of lives, so I would not doubt it for one moment.
 

Dave_W

The Dude
I'm not gonna touch the gun control argument but I would like to say that the "slippery slope" argument sounds a lot like the "domino theory" of the 1950's-60's that caused us to lose so many lives in Vietnam. In both cases it's been shown to be a fundamentally flawed argument. Communism ran itself into the ground and probably would have done so sooner had we not fanned the flames in South East Asia and fully automatic machine guns were banned in 1968 and that didn't seem to start us down any slopes. IMO there's plenty of good arguments for and against an assault rifle ban without invoking the circular "slipper slope" argument.
 

TedG954

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I think that the NRA is going to win on most of these issues in the long run. The problem is that if we lose any ground at all it is just a slippery slope till more freedoms are lost. I know that the people on the forum that are not from the United States do not understand our fascination with our guns. Yes we enjoy our guns but it is really a deeper fear of more of our freedoms like speech and religion and what kind of camera we can own and shoot that we are really concerned with.

Every dictator has started by limiting guns for the safety of the citizens and then confiscation and then death to groups of citizens they feel are not worthy. (See Hitler)

So forgive us our little rants and try to understand this is not just about guns but ultimately about our Nikons.

Absolutely.
 

carguy

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Just like terrible breed (dog) specific legislation, 'Punish the deed not the breed'. The tool is not the problem, the person who breaks current laws using the tool is the problem. I'd much rather see any gov't administration address the real problem rather than push an agenda.
 
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RAA 7 years, Close Protection close to 14 years in places like South Africa, Chad, Ivory Coast, Malaysia just to name a few, always been strapped with a semi-Auto or assault weapon, Home in Australia privately owned a HK USP, very pro-gun.

Now all the idiots in power are saying 'GUNS' are bad, yet the same idiots have 'ARMED PROTECTION' looking after them and their families and would not leave home without them.

This BS that if you remove guns (Assault Weapons) from the public there will be less killing is rubbish, Japan has a 'NO GUN' policy and they have on average 2 murders a day and they are carried out with your every day kitchen knife. What are they going to do in the US, ban guns and once the murders are carried out with knives start banning them too?

Look at the UK, they disarmed the public and now the country has a knife culture and most people killed in the UK now days are by knives and the UK is turning in to a Police State, Hitler did the same thing in Germany before trying to take all of Europe. YES gun control works ... NOT!

You just need to look at history and the Governments that removed guns from the public and then went on to slaughter them.
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You will never stop a person wanting to kill others no matter what you ban. You just need to punish them no matter what, if they kill (Not Self Defence) for personal gains, then hung them, send them on to meet ummm mmmm OK turn them in to bug food!


1 thing I have noticed in the USA is the people PRO-GUN and also ANTI-Abortion ... now that is a little messed up.
 
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Dave_W

The Dude
I don't think anyone believes legislation will stop all murders, just like seat belts can't stop all car related deaths or helmets stop all motorcycle related deaths. But seat belts certainly have cut down on car related deaths as have helmets on motorcycle related deaths.

I know it's easy to get all inflamed on both sides of the subject but I think all sides can agree that it's a good thing we're having this conversation. There's a real problem going on in our cities right now to the point that our ER's resemble MASH units on the front lines of a war. So regardless how this all turns out, I'm glad we're at least talking about this problem instead of sweeping it on the table and looking the other way.
 

carguy

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I don't think anyone believes legislation will stop all murders, just like seat belts can't stop all car related deaths or helmets stop all motorcycle related deaths. But seat belts certainly have cut down on car related deaths as have helmets on motorcycle related deaths.

I know it's easy to get all inflamed on both sides of the subject but I think all sides can agree that it's a good thing we're having this conversation. There's a real problem going on in our cities right now to the point that our ER's resemble MASH units on the front lines of a war. So regardless how this all turns out, I'm glad we're at least talking about this problem instead of sweeping it on the table and looking the other way.

I'd be inclined to follow that logic Dave if the weapons they are trying so strongly to ban were the most used in crime in this country. Fact is they are not. There are other things afoot... Chicago has some of the strongest anti-gun laws and we've all seen their crime/murder rate break records :(
 

Rick M

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Let's get back to the real question, will the government ban cameras?

No, they will just ban continuous or burst mode. Only Government owned cameras will operate in burst or contiuous mode. Our civilian cameras will be limited to 1 FPS, or worse, must depress shutter release button for each shot :)
 
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My son fought in Iraq and in Afghanistan for us to have this right to discuss out beliefs. ONe of the main problems I have is the term Assault Rifle. I have a 22LR rifle and according to the rules they are trying to put in place now it will be classified as an assault rifle. If has a adjustable stock, a pistol grip and a removable magazine. This is a 22lr and it really only good for sporting use. I use it for target practice. It is cheap to shoot and a barrel of fun to play with. It is not an assault rifle.

Some of the places here in the US that have the strongest gun laws have some of the worse crime statistics. Some of the areas that have the most guns have the lowest guns crime rates. The reason here in the south that people don't bother each other is that about half of them are armed. Makes the bad guy think twice.

Everyone has the right to their opinion here on this forum but we need to keep it on a upbeat positive tone. That goes for me too.
 

WhiteLight

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Every dictator has started by limiting guns for the safety of the citizens and then confiscation and then death to groups of citizens they feel are not worthy. (See Hitler)

Hiistory always repeats itself.
That happens only bcos we live in a fractal universe.

I think by the time they come for the camera's either THEY or US won't be needing them anymore .

And yes, most of us do understand the Americans love for guns.
The world notices not just when America becomes the No 1 country in world AND when it bombs other nations AND also when they come for your freedom/guns.
it's a small world, but it also is a sad world
 
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Hiistory always repeats itself.
That happens only bcos we live in a fractal universe.

I think by the time they come for the camera's either THEY or US won't be needing them anymore .

And yes, most of us do understand the Americans love for guns.
The world notices not just when America becomes the No 1 country in world AND when it bombs other nations AND also when they come for your freedom/guns.
it's a small world, but it also is a sad world




With the number of gang rapes happening in India I see more guns will end up on the streets of India very soon ... Reading today about the Swiss tourist that just been gang raped in front of her husband. If they had a gun the scum that decided to rape her would have been pushing up daisies!



Banning guns from the law abiding citizen is plan stupid, you can bring in as many laws as you like, a criminal will not follow one of them because they are a criminal, if they followed the law they would not be a criminal now would they?

The UK has so many illegal firearms on the streets now and they are all shipped in from the rest of Europe, the crime rate has not dropped in the UK it has gone up and most are home invasion and assaults.

Australia banned a lot of firearms after the Port Arthur massacre and the crime rate jumped, reading the news a few days ago and the Australia Federal Police have said there has been a huge influx of illegal guns shipped in to Australia.

Japan with its strict laws still has illegal firearms that are shipped in from China and Russia and there has been a couple of cases back in the 1990's of US military personal selling firearms stole off the bases.

A Semi-Auto Pistol in Japan can fetch over $8000 and then the bullets cost a small fortune, so you will never stop people from getting a firearm no matter how hard you try. Best bet is to let the people that follow the law have firearms for protection or sporting (NOT KILL ANIMALS FOR FUN:mad::mad:) and you really punish the people that commit crimes with firearms.







And YES Rick give it time and Cameras will be banned! Privacy Laws will do that one.
 

WhiteLight

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With the number of gang rapes happening in India I see more guns will end up on the streets of India very soon ... Reading today about the Swiss tourist that just been gang raped in front of her husband. If they had a gun the scum that decided to rape her would have been pushing up daisies!

Exactly the point. A mature person with a mature head would know how & when to use it.
Given a woman in a situation like the one you mentioned would definitely find help with a gun, but who's to say that another woman won't just turn around shoot someone innocent & state that he tried raping her?

Anyway, here there has been a rise of over 70% for gun licenses especially by women.. but the government has stated that 'self defense' is not a reason enough to give them a gun license & ALL applications were rejected.
All governments in the world today have an understanding on how to control the masses.

Does anyone know that here, there is drive to obtain biometric samples from EVERY single citizen?
You would not even be allowed to try for a driving license even, without a retina & fingerprint scan.
Imagine. Biometric data of 2 billion+ humans.
India is very soon going to be one of the richest countries in the world.
I have avoided getting this done, but i know i am soon gonna run out of options
 

TedG954

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Let's get back to the real question, will the government ban cameras?

No, they will just ban continuous or burst mode. Only Government owned cameras will operate in burst or continuous mode. Our civilian cameras will be limited to 1 FPS, or worse, must depress shutter release button for each shot :)

And Big Brother will ask, "Why does a citizen need a burst capable camera? Our forefathers envisioned single-shot cameras for vacations and family outings. Not burst or continuous mode cameras. In today's world, not a week goes by that some crackpot doesn't run through a park shooting his camera until the SD card runs dry. Even those who keep a single shot camera in their home takes the chance of having the tables turned on them by someone else getting that camera and taking their picture."

When cameras are outlawed, only outlaws will have cameras.

You can have my camera when you pry it out of my cold dead fingers.
 

TedG954

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Does anyone know that here, there is drive to obtain biometric samples from EVERY single citizen?
You would not even be allowed to try for a driving license even, without a retina & fingerprint scan.
Imagine. Biometric data of 2 billion+ humans.
India is very soon going to be one of the richest countries in the world.
I have avoided getting this done, but i know i am soon gonna run out of options

And it is said that one day, only those with the sign of the beast will be able buy and sell food and other goods. Sounds like a driver's license is a good place to start.
 

WhiteLight

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It is quite unbelievable.
Just in a matter of a year or two, the entire country has been forced into this.
There has been very minor opposition to this. People stand in queue for hours together with children & aged to get themselves scanned!
The government has brought in sops for getting this done. For example- a cylinder of cooking gas costs you exactly double if you haven't gotten yourself scanned..
And people don't find that suspicious.
I think we the people are to blame to the state of affairs we live in world over...
 
It is quite unbelievable.
Just in a matter of a year or two, the entire country has been forced into this.
There has been very minor opposition to this. People stand in queue for hours together with children & aged to get themselves scanned!
The government has brought in sops for getting this done. For example- a cylinder of cooking gas costs you exactly double if you haven't gotten yourself scanned..
And people don't find that suspicious.
I think we the people are to blame to the state of affairs we live in world over...

I had not heard of this. They tie what things cost to whether you have been scanned into the system? That is outrageous.
 

pedroj

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I'll leave the gun thing to others....If some thing is written please let it be fact...

Shigure where do you get your information from???This is what you wrote..{Australia banned a lot of firearms after the Port Arthur massacre and the crime rate jumped}This not true...
 
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