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  1. #11
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    I agree what most others have said. I'm sure it is a very good system that will only get better, it just doesn't fill any specific need for me that would make me want to change from my D500.


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  2. #12
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    It's going to take some time to build up a mirrorless base here for active discussion. Most existing members have established systems so new members/buyers will slowly build that section and following up. Loyalty even within the same manufacturer slows change. In addition to Nikon is better than Canon (which of course it is!), debates will morph into a DSLR vs. Mirrorless. It will take a long time, but I speculate Mirrorless will eventually overtake DSLR's in sales and forum activity. Personally, I don't think one is better than the other, they each have strengths and weaknesses.
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  3. #13
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    It’s exciting times for photographers, never have we had so much choice. Mirrorless seems to be the future, but I am happy to stay with DSLR for the time being. I have been watching prices drop on D800 & D810’s, and May pick one of them up if I find a good one for the right price, will have to change out some of my lenses though. I can see one of the mirrorless cameras in my future, but not for a while yet, and by then the 2nd or 3rd generations will be out.
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  4. #14
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?
    When i hear not better just different i think of this.

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  5. #15
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad B View Post
    Hi,
    ...
    After that week, I'm going to decide if my D850 is going to move for the Z7.
    If my wife doesn't hit me too hard...
    You will hear of me.
    Hi,
    I’ve rented the Z7 plus FTZ plus 24-70 F4 lens for a midweek (Monday till Friday), last week.
    I could play a few days with its settings, its behavior.
    I could try it along my D850, with my Tamron 24-70 G2.
    I also could try my lenses with the FTZ adapter at the Z7.
    My lenses: Two Tammys 24-70 F2.8 G2 and 28-300 PZD; Siggy 150-600 C and Nikon 24mm F2.8 AF-D.
    It was a very good week… had a lot of fun, although the weather wasn’t nice around here.
    The AF of the Z7 was as fast and furious as with my D850.
    With the use of the Siggy at 600 mm, my D850 felt maybe a bit more accurate. But the lens was as fast on the Z7 as on my D850.
    With the use of the 1.4 (TC1401) extender, it felt a bit less with the Z7 .
    The D850 was faster and more accurate.
    The Tammy 24-70 F2.8 worked equal on the Z7 and D850. A wonderful lens, but as it is a F2.8 lens, it’s quite heavy.
    My walkaround lens, my Tammy 28-300, that works quite good at the Z7, but with the use of AF-C,
    the IS (VC) in the lens was constant making sounds.
    In AF-S mode it worked splendid.
    The Nikon 24 mm AF-D is a MF lens at the Z7, but with the use of focus peaking, it was a pleasure to use.
    Using the EVF was nice, I had no problem with it. I liked all the info in the viewfinder.
    And look at your fresh made pic through the viewfinder, zooming in and out without taking your eye from the viewfinder…
    After these days with the Nikon Z7, I kept asking myself, what would the Sony A7R III do…?

    So I rented this week the Sony A7R III, the Sigma MC-11 EF-E adapter and a Sigma 150-600 lens.
    The lens is the heavy Sports version.
    I had to update all three parts… Camera, adapter and lens.
    But the lens is in this combo much, much to slow. That doesn’t work.
    I think the bird will die first before I have him tack sharp on the sensor…
    My plan was, trying a few lenses from friends, but I have stopped now.
    The long end didn’t work out.
    And I don’t want to try that very expensive Sony combo, the FE 100-400 with 1.4 extender.
    That lenscombo costs about €3500,- (US $4000)…

    So now I have to rethink my experiences these 1,5 week…
    The Z7 was a very, very nice camera. Very good build, fitted perfect in my quite small hands.
    The shutter sound is very quiet, less as with the Sony. Of course, quiet mode is totally quiet…
    Handling the cam and the menu from the Z7 was known… It’s the family you know well.
    The Sony menu is a disaster, you have to get used to.
    I missed a few settings, which I have on my D850. I don’t mind to go back to one card.
    I emptied my battery within 300 pics, but looked back a lot and was constant playing in the menu.
    The Z7 is a very good camera, I think I’m a bit in love with that piece of equipment.
    I don’t know yet if my D850 has to make place for the new Z7.
    I have to rethink my experiences these 1,5 week…
    And convince my dear wife…
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  6. #16
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    Well I have just made the switch from the D500 to the Z 6 so I will be posting a lot more in the Mirrorless side
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  7. #17
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    Hi,

    I made my thoughts... didn't try to convince my wife yet...
    Yesterday, I've ordered my Z7, with adapter and 24-70 lens.
    There is now an offer through various dealers, €500 less!! From €4449 to €3949.
    Including a free 64 Gb fast Sony XQD card!
    This offer is the coming 2 weeks...
    With my dealer I get a 5% discount... So I collect the set for 3751,-...
    €700 less, from €4449 for €3751. The whole set... body, lens, adapter and XQD card
    I couldn't wait more seconds...

  8. #18
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    Having shot with the Nikon and Sony mirrorless, they are not for me. Motion blur in the EVF can't keep up with action sports.
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  9. #19
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    Very nice description of the process I went through also. I do not see the Z as a replacement except for video, but a compliment if one has a D850. I bought one, which here is the cost of living for 4-5 months and found the image quality of the Z7 possibly a bit better than the D850 and a lot better in JPG rendering. Focus for sports and WL shooters might be weaker but for my shooting...people, events, studio and travel is fitted very well. The files are pretty big for a travel/walk around camera, however.
    The EVF is a fantastic upgrade from the OVF of the DSLRs, so in dark venues such as jazz clubs, I take a lot fewer photos, I know how it is going to turn out so no bracketing or chimping needed. What it looks like in the EVF is what the file looks like except in low light where the EVF is brighter allowing much more precise framing and focusing.
    All that said, I took it back to the store last night and traded it for a Z6. Two reasons, the fact that I have high res covered, already the large file sizes made less sense than the stop better low light performance. I do notice the difference in resolution but I also was amazed by what files at 22,000 ISO looked like, perfectly usable. In a pinch, H2, 204,000 produced remarkable color and detail that just does not exist with the D850.
    If money was no object I would have both. I like my big gripped D850 and D800, they feel great in hand and the image quality is great but after using the Z7 and Z6 for a couple weeks, it is pretty obvious, for my shooting, mirrorless is here to stay. I can see now that I shoot fewer frames but have more keepers because the EVF is such an accurate view of the final image, there is no need for bracketing shots or chimping, the framing it right, exposure and color are right, and especially so in low light.
    One thing I noticed right away, in clubs or events, no one notices you with a small camera so getting truly candid shots is easier but I found with the Z7 fewer people approached to ask for photos because a gripped D8x0 body, and large lenses seem to suggest the user is serious.

    The announced upgrades in firmware is likely to cause the Z6 to be most popular higher end camera Nikon ever produced. ProRes RAW at 12 bit out HDMI to a $700 monitor/recorder just drop the entry cost to real cine quality by $40,000. Plus the only cameras designed for CFExpress with its fantastic read/write rates will cause every video fan to move to Nikon. ProRes RAW and ProResHD RAW is like having the only still camera with RAW file output which everyone else has to use JPG. But more so, there is more flexibility with ProRes RAW in video than RAW in still images.

  10. #20
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    Re: Why so little interest here on the forum in the Z6/7?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moab Man View Post
    Having shot with the Nikon and Sony mirrorless, they are not for me. Motion blur in the EVF can't keep up with action sports.
    The display and EVF of Sony is slower but the Z cameras do not have motion blur in either the monitor or EVF. Z's are faster in refresh, even the response to the touch screen of the Sony's lags far hind if moving a finger over the screen. But Z cameras AF is slower than a D5 and D850 but currently, the fastest AF of any is the a9 Sony, but it is poor in handling and control placement and menu structure.
    For just about every other subject matter, the Z cameras are really good, with excellent shooting experience, IQ and ease of use. The low light performance of the Z6 is significantly better than the D850which has been the IQ leader. Luckily almost any sort of subject matter is covered by reasonably priced models now from more brands. The majority of new camera buyers are desiring video good capability and that is where there is no contest between DSLR and mirrorless and Nikon has the best option in FF.





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