Nikon mirrorless finally

pforsell

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Nikon released a teaser video: Nikon: "Travel of Light"

The Z-mount looks huge, ready for those two new patents: 52mm f/0.9 and 36mm f/1.2 full frame mirrorless lenses.

The July 25th coincides with Nikon's 100th birthday, perhaps we'll finally see the real thing in two days. :encouragement:
 

mikew_RIP

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Nikon released a teaser video: Nikon: "Travel of Light"

The Z-mount looks huge, ready for those two new patents: 52mm f/0.9 and 36mm f/1.2 full frame mirrorless lenses.

The July 25th coincides with Nikon's 100th birthday, perhaps we'll finally see the real thing in two days. :encouragement:

The throat does look large wonder if it would cope with a larger sensor at some point.
 

mikew_RIP

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From Nikon rumours, the best adjustment i could get.

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Moab Man

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I for one am not on board with the mirrorless thing and don't feel it replaces anything. Last week I had the opportunity to use the Sony camera's and it made me sick trying to track anything because the EVF blurs as you move due to the fact the display cannot keep up with real time. Sure it's great that you have no black outs from the mirror going up and down, but you can't see the image either when it's blurred.
 

mikew_RIP

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I for one am not on board with the mirrorless thing and don't feel it replaces anything. Last week I had the opportunity to use the Sony camera's and it made me sick trying to track anything because the EVF blurs as you move due to the fact the display cannot keep up with real time. Sure it's great that you have no black outs from the mirror going up and down, but you can't see the image either when it's blurred.

From a business point ime not sure it matters if its better or not, if Nikon and Canon dont move into the market they are handing sales to Sony, Fuji ect.
Mirrorless does require a different skill set and comes with a learning curve, the benefits of it will be lost on some users as they don't need it, being a confirmed mirrorless user i can honestly say if i wasnt doing it because of what the smaller sensor gives me with m4/3 (every thing is smaller and lighter) i would still be using a D500.
For action photography, the DSLR is still king and its my feeling it will remain so for a while yet,as i said at the begining of this post though better or not will not be the deciding factor market trends will rule.
 
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Moab Man

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From a business point ime not sure it matters if its better or not, if Nikon and Canon dont move into the market they are handing sales to Sony, Fuji ect.
Mirrorless does require a different skill set and comes with a learning curve, the benefits of it will be lost on some users as they don't need it, being a confirmed mirrorless user i can honestly say if i wasnt doing it because of what the smaller sensor gives me with m4/3 (every thing is smaller and lighter) i would still be using a D500.
For action photography, the DSLR is still king and its my feeling it will remain so for a while yet,as i said at the begining of this post though better or not will not be the deciding factor market trends will rule.

I could see adding one at some specifically for still photography like weddings or portraits.
 

pforsell

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I will probably add one mirrorless to my bag, but since digital cameras are essentially computers I will patiently wait maybe a couple of years so they can fix the bugs and release the "S" version like they did with D3S and D4S. I never bought D3 or D4 but the "facelift" instead and both have been problem free and perfect from the day one.

I have shot a few days with a Sony A7R III and there are a few things I don't like. First, the EVF is still very far from perfect, currently I'd give it a high school grade of D. I have shot 40+ years with both eyes open so my left eye sees the scene and my right eye is on the optical viewfinder. This way I know what will next enter in the frame. With an EVF this is not possible really, in the evening/night the EVF is too bright and in daylight it is too dim. For two-eyed shooters current EVFs are a no go.

Secondly, there's the delay. For a two-eyed shooter in those rare circumstances that both eyes can be kept open, the video feed in the EVF is out of sync with reality. It is a little behind... the delay is not long but it is there. It is disconcerting watching the same thing happen twice... first with the left eye and right after that with the right eye. :(

Third, while the EVF frame rates have climbed up and Sony now offers 120 fps it still isn't "analogue", meaning infinite fps. Maybe in the future something like 500 fps EVF will start to feel like looking at the reality, not like looking at a tv.

Fourth, Using the electronic shutter curtain there's no noticeable viewfinder blackout... well this is a two edged sword. I need some confirmation of the actual moment the shot was taken, and with no blackout and no shutter sound I have no idea if and when the image was captured. Some kind of "click" sound would be necessary, or I'd prefer a blackout of the evf at least in single image mode. With bursts the the situation is different.

Anyway, as I said I'll add one mirrorless Nikon FF camera into my bag a little later when the "mk II" or "S" comes out, and I'll use it for things that it can do better than a DSLR, like using f/0.95 lenses and when soundless operation is necessary. And I'll only use it with native Z-mount lenses, adapters are definitely a no go.
 

Rick M

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Very exciting! I may get one depending on the lens lineup, unfortunately a good wide angle is usually the last in a new lineup.
 

Marcel

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Very exciting! I may get one depending on the lens lineup, unfortunately a good wide angle is usually the last in a new lineup.
Hi Rick,

Good to see you lurking around :)

I thought that those going to M4/3 would never come back... What would make you come back to FX?
 

Woodyg3

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I know two pro wildlife photographers using Sony A9 bodies, and they are both very happy with them. I do get the attraction to the A9. 20 fps, apparently great autofocus, exposure preview with the EVF, some weight reduction, great video, it all seems nice. But, it's not several thousand dollars nice, IMO. Especially with limited lens availability.

We'll see how the new Nikon mirrorless cameras perform, and especially with current F-mount lenses attached with whatever adapter they are going to provide. I know people who are ready to put there money down right now, and that kind of new product mania will drive early sales. A couple of years from now we will see if those people made a wise choice.

Meanwhile, I refuse to buy into the idea that my D500 is obsolete. Nope, not even my "old" D7100 is not a relic of times gone by. Gee, I even have a few ancient lenses with no image stabilization. They aren't obsolete, either, and I get very nice, sharp pictures with them. I won't be an early adopter, not because I don't believe in the idea of mirrorless technology, but because it's going to have to prove itself and become affordable first.

Ten years from now, I'll probably own some kind of mirrorless camera, and I bet most of you will, too. :)
 

Bear Dale

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Ten years from now, I'll probably own some kind of mirrorless camera, and I bet most of you will, too. :)

That makes sense, why be an early beta adopter. dSLR is at the pinnacle of maturity and may even mature a bit more.

Mirrorless isn't going to make your photos magically better.
 

Rick M

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Hi Rick,

Good to see you lurking around :)

I thought that those going to M4/3 would never come back... What would make you come back to FX?

Hello Marcel! The only thing I'm lacking in m43rds is a pro ultra wide that accepts standard filters. The 2 things that drove me from the dslr where the mirror slap and noise. I really got hooked on silent shooting after owning the Nikon 1 series. I'd keep my oly gear for hiking and wildlife, the Nikon would be primarily used for landscapes if they release the right UW.
 

Daz

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So things are ramping up, so we have heard this will be an end of August release.

I have heard through sources that they are planning a big release for this. Getting exciting!!
 

Marcel

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Since I've already begun to turn to Fuji, I'm not certain I will stick with Nikon for the mirrorless new camera. The price, size and old F mount support might steer me away.
 

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....The...old F mount support might steer me away.

Trying to understand what you meant, Marcel. Does it mean Nikon's mirrorless won't work with older lenses? The article states, The new mount "will work with the NIKKOR F mount lenses". :confused: I'm obviously missing something. :(
 

Marcel

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Trying to understand what you meant, Marcel. Does it mean Nikon's mirrorless won't work with older lenses? The article states, The new mount "will work with the NIKKOR F mount lenses". :confused: I'm obviously missing something. :(

What I read is that it could "with an adapter" work with older lenses. Now we will have to wait to really find out. That was my first point.

The second one will be the pricing. Since I already have spent money with Fuji, I could probably stay with what I have now, the convenience of mirrorless with Fuji and the Nikon APCS and FX bodies and lenses I already have.

Sorry my post caused confusion.
 

RocketCowboy

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What I read is that it could "with an adapter" work with older lenses. Now we will have to wait to really find out. That was my first point.

The second one will be the pricing. Since I already have spent money with Fuji, I could probably stay with what I have now, the convenience of mirrorless with Fuji and the Nikon APCS and FX bodies and lenses I already have.

Sorry my post caused confusion.

Do you use an adapter so that you can use your Nikon glass with Fuji? I've got a friend who's really into the Fuji bodies, and we had talked about mating up my 200-500/5.6 to his X-T1, but I have no experience with mount adapters and what's any good.
 

hark

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What I read is that it could "with an adapter" work with older lenses. Now we will have to wait to really find out. That was my first point.

The second one will be the pricing. Since I already have spent money with Fuji, I could probably stay with what I have now, the convenience of mirrorless with Fuji and the Nikon APCS and FX bodies and lenses I already have.

Sorry my post caused confusion.

Do you use an adapter so that you can use your Nikon glass with Fuji? I've got a friend who's really into the Fuji bodies, and we had talked about mating up my 200-500/5.6 to his X-T1, but I have no experience with mount adapters and what's any good.

I too was wondering the same thing about the Fuji. Are there other mirrorless bodies that work with Nikon glass--even with an adapter? Does anyone know?
 
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