*NEW* Nikon 1 Cameras

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Johnathan Aulabaugh

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I read up on them as well and with a sensor sized smaller than even a 4/3rds... IDK I have to think that someone screwed up pretty bad here. another real problem is that people that have invested in the F mount can not use their lenses. Fail
 

fotojack

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I think these are targeted more to the point and shoot crowd rather than "regular" photographers. I don't think they'll flop, but I don't think they'll be as successful as Nikon thinks they'll be.
 

Ke_Ola!

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I agree that these things are WAY overpriced... But if you think about it, the technology behind these are pretty good. Although, I don't know why exactly they came out with these at that price point. I can't think of any person looking for a point and shoot that would even consider paying that much or even want to change out lenses. Its like they're trying to draw the DSLR customers into it. Hm. I guess they are comparable to the Sony NEX cameras? I haven't really read much about those.
 

Peekcha

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I agree that these things are WAY overpriced... But if you think about it, the technology behind these are pretty good. Although, I don't know why exactly they came out with these at that price point. I can't think of any person looking for a point and shoot that would even consider paying that much or even want to change out lenses. Its like they're trying to draw the DSLR customers into it. Hm. I guess they are comparable to the Sony NEX cameras? I haven't really read much about those.

Even though I'm biased towards nikon, I think Sony nex series runs circles around the v1 and j1.
 

Browncoat

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These things are designed to bridge the gap between PnS and DSLR. Like most other hybrids of any type, they are epic fail. I mean...even Ken Rockwell thinks they're junk, and that's saying something.
 

Johnathan Aulabaugh

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That's not completely accurate, the m43 has developed a huge following and with the bug fixes for the sone NEX, it is starting to gain strength now. I know several pro photographers that have switched added one of these to their kit. I was extremly skeptical of them when they first came out but have shot next to a few and feel that in the right hands, like any camera, they can produce amazing results. I personally had hoped Nikon would be on the same basis as the NEX with the sensor and still use the F mount. IMO they have some more to work on on these cameras but remember the first dslr's?
The m43 is extremly popular with pro travel photographers and becoming more popular with outdoor photographers
 
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Johnathan Aulabaugh

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Not really, this camera was built to compete with cameras such as the oly and the pan mirrorless cameras as well as the sony's. The big difference here is the sensor which IMO is a huge fail for Nikon. All of these smaller mirrorless slr cameras are a hybrid so it is not apples and oranges at all.
 

Peekcha

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Not really, this camera was built to compete with cameras such as the oly and the pan mirrorless cameras as well as the sony's. The big difference here is the sensor which IMO is a huge fail for Nikon. All of these smaller mirrorless slr cameras are a hybrid so it is not apples and oranges at all.

You can't have a mirror less SLR. It's an ILC. Regardless you can spin this anyway you want but the nikon 1 is an epic fail. It might have been made to compete with M43 but it is not on the same playing field. Sensor being the biggest difference. Most hybrids are going mirror less yet try to keep at least an APS-C sensor. Perfect example the Sony NEX-5n uses the same sensor as the D7K. And in my opinion that kind of camera is what closes the gap between the DSLR and P&S. The nikon 1 is a glorified P&S with removable lenses.
 

Johnathan Aulabaugh

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Haha I stand corrected on the ILC.
Funny these same complaints were made by avid (rabid) dslr fans when oly and pan introduced their m43 cameras, and the same used by full frame guys, oh and the same made by those that still use film as their primary. I am the first to say that I believe Nikon made a huge mistake by using a smaller sensor, but, until we actually get one in our hands or a proper review is done by a trusted reviewer such as DpReview, we really have no clue how it will really perform, just a very good idea.
 

Browncoat

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Regardless of how you try to spin it, this is a PnS camera with a DSLR price tag.

The PnS market isn't going to spend a high dollar amount on a pocket camera, period. The PnS market wants simplicity, not the confusion of interchangeable lenses. These guys could care less about sensor sizes and most likely have no clue what the real advantages of this camera would be. They look at megapixels, and since most cell phones come with an 8MP or better camera, the PnS market will take a pass on this one.

The DSLR market isn't going to buy a gimmick camera with a tiny sensor and an odd format. We want a quality 4/3 camera, preferably one that is RAW capable...because right now, we have to go outside of Nikon's product line for such a camera. Again, this camera brings nothing to the table to justify the hefty price tag, and we don't need a review from DpReview to tell us that.
 

jengajoh

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I dunno, I think they will do well. I see lots of people walking around with their DSLRs and they clearly don't know what they're doing, but bought a camera for better pictures and then get tired of carrying it around. They will be looking for something like this.
 

Johnathan Aulabaugh

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I am actually a little surprised to hear that argument. you and I both know that people have been buying over priced things they don't need for decades. And really lets look at the price $1100 with lens. the new NEX7 is going to go for $1300 with lens. And lets break this camera down a little. We do not know what this sensor is capable of as it is not a sony or other manufacturer sensor. This is a Nikon in house sensor not only new to the market but with new technology NEVER seen before.
As far as the DSLR market, a m43 is not in the DSLR market either. And as far as that goes, why do we need m43 at all, a crop of a aps-c to 4:3 is still bigger than the sensor used in the m43 cameras. so really there is no way to argue that. If you want to use the pocket camera argument, ummm yeah it might be a pocket camera with no lens and if your wearing cargo pants/shorts but even the m43 cameras are to large to fit into most peoples pockets. I see 2 advantages to the mirrorless cameras regardless of sensor, although I personally would lean more toward the NEX aps-c camera, And that is weight. For outdoor recreation and travel the smaller size and weight would be a great advantage. Specially when you figure the lengths that hikers have gone to minimalize weight these days with titanium sporks and all.
 

jengajoh

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I see your point, but most people don't think like that. Most people aren't photographers. They will see that this is the newest thing out, and its smaller than a DSLR but seems better than a point and shoot. Oh, and it looks sleek. See, my philosophy is that most people are dumb.
 

Browncoat

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None of that changes the fact that the Nikon 1 has nothing new to offer either market: DSLR user or PnS user.

DSLR users want a moderately-priced portable camera that is an alternative to the normally hefty camera they lug around. Preferably a camera that they can use their current lens collection with. Most photographers tend to gravitate towards 4/3 format because it's the best of both worlds. Portable, but not a PnS. The NEX series has an adapter that can use the Alpha DSLR lenses.

PnS users want a bridge-gap camera. The high end PnS consumer is intimidated by going full-fledged DSLR. These consumers like the idea of a "mini" DSLR system that allows them more freedom, but with the PnS safety net. Again, Sony NEX camera have capitalized on this market and done very well, especially in Japan.


However, the Nikon 1 is not 4/3 format. Nikon is trying something new here with a tiny sensor and mirrorless system that ignores what has made the NEX series (and others) success stories in both DSLR and PnS markets. I haven't seen any reviewer, photographer, or Nikon nut jump on the bandwagon for this product. Quite the contrary actually.

No one could've possibly predicted the huge popularity of a goofy app called Angry Birds, where you slingshot cartoon birds through the air to kill pigs. That's about on the same level as this camera. It's something so different that's it's either going to be wildly successful or a colossal flop. Kind of like HP's tablet that had a lot of hype and then flamed out and ended up being closed out for $99. I look for these cameras to crash and burn, and I'd be surprised to see them still in Nikon's lineup a year from now.
 

Sambr

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I think they will do great, Nikon's marketing dept - has determined that the PNS segment is were the money is. Nikon sells way more Coolpixs than DSLRs - so this new line which is a step above the Coolpix and simplier to use will apeal to a lot of "snappers" ( people who don't care about photography,but want a photo) Sadly for us the DSLR's will still be available however each new model will be longer in coming out and have more PnS features. Nikon will still cater to the Pros. that wouldn't change. Nikon is doing what any good company that wants to stay in business - they are "following the money"
 
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