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    Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4
    Hello,
    Recently I have gotten interested in the idea of extreme macro. Close up photos of a bug's face or the center of a flower are good examples. There are plenty of cool samples online. I read that you could take a macro lens and a prime lens, connect them together via a step down ring and come up with a setup that will allow you to accomplish this super macro. In my case, I am using a 200mm f4 and 50mm f1.4. Here is a link that shows some sample photos and the desired camera setup.
    How to Shoot Super Macro PhotosMy problem is that I have G series 50mm which has no aperture lock ring. I have tried attaching it to the camera, setting it to 1.4 and then removing the lens. It doesn't work. The aperture closes as soon as it is removed from the camera. Would a lens with a lock ring be able to cause the aperture to remain open, essentially locked at 1.4? I am looking at the possibility of getting a d series 50mm, if it will work. The draw back is that it is another couple of hundred dollars for an almost duplicate of the lens that I already have.

    I am open to other options. I have heard that you can use a extension tube to increase the focal length, but do not know much about it. I am enclosing a couple of my latest macro shots taken with my 200mm.

    Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4-dsc_1785.jpgExtreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4-dsc_1828.jpgExtreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4-dsc_1841.jpg


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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Extension rings do not change the focal length. They change the distance you can focus at so you get macro out of your lenses. You can stack tubes to get closer focusing and closer macro.
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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Edit: The lock ring does perform as suggested on my 200mm. I would appreciate conformation that this is also true of the 50mm d series. Don, what tools will get me the shots that I am looking for? Does closer macro mean that I get a more magnified shot? How do these tubes affect the exposure?

    On a separate note, my first photo shows a nice informational screen on mouseover... How do I accomplish that for all of my photos?
    Last edited by texaslimo; 08-23-2016 at 04:14 AM.

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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by texaslimo View Post
    Edit: The lock ring does perform as suggested on my 200mm. I would appreciate conformation that this is also true of the 50mm d series. Don, what tools will get me the shots that I am looking for? Does closer macro mean that I get a more magnified shot? How do these tubes affect the exposure?

    On a separate note, my first photo shows a nice informational screen on mouseover... How do I accomplish that for all of my photos?
    https://photographylife.com/what-is-an-extension-tube

    I have a set I have not played with much yet but they can go up to 1 to 1 macro which is very close. They do not have any glass in them so I don't think they change the exposure at all and they should work on any of your lenses.
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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Those are some close shots as they are. May I recommend incorporating an off-camera flash into your setup?

    Using extension rings/tubes allows you to focus more closely, which means your subject is at a higher magnification on the sensor.

    WM
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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Kuykendall View Post
    https://photographylife.com/what-is-an-extension-tube

    I have a set I have not played with much yet but they can go up to 1 to 1 macro which is very close. They do not have any glass in them so I don't think they change the exposure at all and they should work on any of your lenses.
    Don, There is some light loss when using an extension tube, but the camera can compensate for it if in an automatic mode, and the exposure indicator will work in manual mode, allowing you to adjust shutter speed or aperture as needed, or in some cases, to add light upon the subject.

    WM
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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyman View Post
    Don, There is some light loss when using an extension tube, but the camera can compensate for it if in an automatic mode, and the exposure indicator will work in manual mode, allowing you to adjust shutter speed or aperture as needed, or in some cases, to add light upon the subject.

    WM
    I really have not played with mine much yet although I do think mine are fully auto so all the control work correctly. Exposure and focus although I am thinking focus will probably be better in manual.

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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Kuykendall View Post
    I really have not played with mine much yet although I do think mine are fully auto so all the control work correctly. Exposure and focus although I am thinking focus will probably be better in manual.
    Most would tell you it's better to shoot macro with manual focus, Don. What your auto extension rings give you over the manual ones is aperture control. Most, if not all, manual extension tubes will result in your lens operating at the largest aperture, leading to minimal depth of field.

    WM
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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyman View Post
    Most would tell you it's better to shoot macro with manual focus, Don. What your auto extension rings give you over the manual ones is aperture control. Most, if not all, manual extension tubes will result in your lens operating at the largest aperture, leading to minimal depth of field.

    WM
    In shooting macro in the other methods I always focus for myself and I generally use a small aperture so as to get more in focus since the DOF is so very narrow
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    Re: Extreme Macro setup 200mm f/4 + 50mm f/1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by texaslimo View Post
    Edit: The lock ring does perform as suggested on my 200mm. I would appreciate conformation that this is also true of the 50mm d series. Don, what tools will get me the shots that I am looking for? Does closer macro mean that I get a more magnified shot? How do these tubes affect the exposure?

    On a separate note, my first photo shows a nice informational screen on mouseover... How do I accomplish that for all of my photos?

    I can confirm that my 50mm 1.8D has a static diaphragm... i.e., stays at a dialed F-stop...

    The Extension tubes do NOT affect the exposure because there is NO glass... they're just empty tubes that are different sizes.... You're method of connecting the 50mm to the 200mm, even wide open introduces at least 1-stop+ of light reduction...

    Not to say the least that an extension tube is only a fraction of what you'd pay for another lens...





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