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  1. #21
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    Re: Your pick please

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    I prefer #1. To me, it seems the most natural of the 3, if natural is what you're going for. #2 has the shadows pulled showing lots of grain, but I do like the colorful blue sky. #3 has nice stars, but is lacking detail in the Milky Way. For a shot of the sky, you've given the foreground a lot of real estate, try to do something interesting with it or give the sky more of your image. A quick trick to figure composition is to max out your iso and take a 1 second shot. It'll look like crap but gives you a composition shot you can adjust from. Also, look into taking slightly faster exposures and then stack multiple shots with the same exposure time which leads to less noise and reduced star trails. Not much you can do about Jupiter, it always looks like a midnight sun with long exposures. You could play with radial filters to try to even things out, but personally I kinda like the midnight sun look. The frustrating part about astrophotography is waiting for mother nature to cooperate, but that's also what makes the shots you get feel more special!


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  2. #22
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    Re: Your pick please

    I like #2. Actually, I like all three, but like #2 the best.

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  3. #23
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    Re: Your pick please

    Your pick please
    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar View Post
    I had my Milky Way shot processed to three versions. Please pick one that you deem the best (of the three) and provide your points. To avoid bias, I'll not disclose the different programs used for the three versions until later. Thanks
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    I'm afraid I can't answer that question since I know nothing about post processing Milky Way images. There must be some way to make the stars not appear so big though. I can't imagine they were that noticeable in the original files, were they?
    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar View Post
    Cindy, I remember, if correct, the visible period of the MW is from March to Oct. I attach the original jpg below for you to see if the stars are unnaturally big or bright... and as I mentioned it's under-exposed, there are lot more stars hiding... (the image looks exactly as I previewed from viewfinder and live View)

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    @Moab Man - is there any way blackstar can edit the image without making the stars appear to be quite so large or overly noticeable? Or is it just me?
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  4. #24
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    Re: Your pick please

    Your pick please
    I know I am a minority in the photo world using GIMP, but there is available a plugin set for astrophotography work. The last tool on the menu is "star rounding" and it will minimze the size of the stars in your final output. I can demonstrate with the same photo of NEOWISE I did. Only real difference is applying the star rounding filter.

    http://www.hennigbuam.de/georg/gimp.html

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  5. #25
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    Re: Your pick please

    Your pick please
    Quote Originally Posted by BF Hammer View Post
    I know I am a minority in the photo world using GIMP, but there is available a plugin set for astrophotography work. The last tool on the menu is "star rounding" and it will minimze the size of the stars in your final output. I can demonstrate with the same photo of NEOWISE I did. Only real difference is applying the star rounding filter.

    http://www.hennigbuam.de/georg/gimp.html

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    That definitely looks more pleasing to me. Maybe there is something similar in the software that blackstar uses.
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  6. #26
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    Re: Your pick please

    Poll -- so far, but late votes are still acceptable:

    #1: one
    #2: six
    #3: one (with condition)
    N.A.: one

    My pick: #3 for its vividness and multiple color shades of the MW

  7. #27
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    Re: Your pick please

    Specifics of the different PP programs and methods used for the three:
    #1: RAW file used with Darktable; complete manual heavy process implementations starting with exp and ending with raw denoise,

    #2: original Jpg file used with Nik-collections' HDR Efex Pro; Default Preset of Basic group selected; no exp or other filters utilized except the White balance,

    #3: RAW file used with Aurora HDR (trial version); Natural Preset of Essential group selected; no exp or other filters utilized except the White balance.

    Was surprised by Aurora HDR's ability to bring out so wide array of (bright) color shades from the faint raw image data. Yet, somehow #3 received only 2 votes (including mine). Still can't decide if to out $99 for the software.

    The two HDR programs both turn the scene color to grayish and brown-ish shade (closer to real natural color?). Not to my like, so I twisted the white balance (color adjustment) toward blue shade (no impact on the vivid color shades of the MW).

  8. #28
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    Re: Your pick please

    Hi BF, Appreciate your Gimp plugin tip and demo. I am a Gimp user too, but with Mac. Unfortunately, Astronomy gimp plugin lacks an OSX package for me to use it. I do find another gimp plugin: pyastro2 which I can install. However, after check into it the "rounding star" filter in this plugin works exactly opposite to your demo. It rounds and ENLARGES star! ... BTW, I have to wonder what purpose and usefulness are with your demo? It looks like stars are getting smaller and even varnish from the scene... We know the MW is comprised of many stars and it does co-exist with other stars in the sky. As the filter is applied, what would happen to the MW? Even the MW is not affected after the filter, will the scene become imbalanced and unnatural?

  9. #29
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    Re: Your pick please

    Your pick please
    Per Fred's request, here is #3 (MW sky) + #2 (foreground):

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  10. #30
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    Re: Your pick please

    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    @Moab Man - is there any way blackstar can edit the image without making the stars appear to be quite so large or overly noticeable? Or is it just me?
    In PS I would do a color range selection on the stars and then reduce the selection/invert and paint in the surrounding black.
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